Ron S Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 What are the three pieces he does not have the rights to? Bertrand. You mean besides "Ricki Don't Lose That Number"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 What are the three pieces he does not have the rights to? Bertrand. You mean besides "Ricki Don't Lose That Number"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 What are the three pieces he does not have the rights to? Bertrand. In March 2004 Downbeat, "out of the material I've written, I own just about all of it... There are only three songs I've written that I can never get back from the publishers I originally put it with, and they are not that popular: 'Opus De Funk,' 'Silverware' and 'Buhaina.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 True story - There is a local "Show & Revue" R&B bandleader around here who holds regular mandatory, marathon rehearsals for his crew. You don't show up early and stay late, you lose the gig, simple as that. Get hungry? Not a problem - his wife will fix you a hot dog ($1.00) or a sammich ($3.50) right on the spot. Ditto on beverages. Need a pack of smokes? $7.50 will get you a pack from this bandleader's private supply. And so on... Of course, if you don't have the cash on you, it can easily be deducted from your next check, which, it probably goes without saying, is waaaay below scale in the first place. Needless to say, this band (and it's a huge one - 6 horn players, 5 female vocalists - is populated by people who either can't get other gigs or else just haven't yet learned how to get other gigs. But the "Company Store" type bandleader is not at all as uncommon as you might think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontooneous Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 True story - There is a local "Show & Revue" R&B bandleader around here who holds regular mandatory, marathon rehearsals for his crew. You don't show up early and stay late, you lose the gig, simple as that. Get hungry? Not a problem - his wife will fix you a hot dog ($1.00) or a sammich ($3.50) right on the spot. Ditto on beverages. Need a pack of smokes? $7.50 will get you a pack from this bandleader's private supply. And so on... Of course, if you don't have the cash on you, it can easily be deducted from your next check, which, it probably goes without saying, is waaaay below scale in the first place. Needless to say, this band (and it's a huge one - 6 horn players, 5 female vocalists - is populated by people who either can't get other gigs or else just haven't yet learned how to get other gigs. But the "Company Store" type bandleader is not at all as uncommon as you might think. And do the band members have to pick up their checks at the union hall because the leader won't spring for postage stamps? There was a bandleader in KC like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 how come this is turning into a "Scrooge Bandleader" thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 True story - There is a local "Show & Revue" R&B bandleader around here who holds regular mandatory, marathon rehearsals for his crew. You don't show up early and stay late, you lose the gig, simple as that. Get hungry? Not a problem - his wife will fix you a hot dog ($1.00) or a sammich ($3.50) right on the spot. Ditto on beverages. Need a pack of smokes? $7.50 will get you a pack from this bandleader's private supply. And so on... Of course, if you don't have the cash on you, it can easily be deducted from your next check, which, it probably goes without saying, is waaaay below scale in the first place. Needless to say, this band (and it's a huge one - 6 horn players, 5 female vocalists - is populated by people who either can't get other gigs or else just haven't yet learned how to get other gigs. But the "Company Store" type bandleader is not at all as uncommon as you might think. And do the band members have to pick up their checks at the union hall because the leader won't spring for postage stamps? There was a bandleader in KC like that. WHAT union? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 how come this is turning into a "Scrooge Bandleader" thread? It's not, it's just taking one of those patented Organissimo Thread Detours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 how come this is turning into a "Scrooge Bandleader" thread? It's not, it's just taking one of those patented Organissimo Thread Detours. based on what? some patented non-specified hearsay anecdotal thread-crap? I like those detours, as long as they stay positive. I do not think it is very nice to have a thread about Horace Silver and then fill it with all the shitty bandleader stories we can come up with. Somehow that strikes me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Creed Taylor spent money like a drunken sailor and CTI went belly up. My understanding is that he was screwed rather badly when he got into bed with the fine folks at Motown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 how come this is turning into a "Scrooge Bandleader" thread? It's not, it's just taking one of those patented Organissimo Thread Detours. based on what? some patented non-specified hearsay anecdotal thread-crap? I like those detours, as long as they stay positive. I do not think it is very nice to have a thread about Horace Silver and then fill it with all the shitty bandleader stories we can come up with. Somehow that strikes me wrong. Well, my story ain't hearsay, and it's got nothing to do with Horace Silver, but it does play to the notion of Company Store Bandleaders, of whom I bear no particular ill-will. It's an old-school way of doing business, and it's served many a bandleader's business quite well over the years. Ray Charles was another one - a good friend quit the gig when he realized that, in his words, "the real object of the job wasn't to make music, it was to see how much of your money you could hold onto each week". Athough I myself don't get involved in it, I look at this type of dealing as part of the Cultural Landscape Of Professional Musicianhood. Nothing really "negative" to it, just "local color", if you will. It's something you run into at all levels, and it's in no way a reflection of anybody's talent or artistry or how I feel about same. I love Ray Charles, and I love Horace Silver, and given the opportunity, I would play their Company Store games, at least for a little while, just to get an up-close-and-personal taste of thier unique genius-ness. Hell, if only "saints" made this music, it wouldn't get made! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 just telling the truth, COUW - Silver's a great pianist and composer; Art Blakey was a great bandleader and he screwed everybody. I think it makes us see the HUMAN side with stories like these - you're not in Kansas anymore (as I used to tell Count Basie) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 6 days till the web site goes live. Can't wait to see what it will have. Maybe there'll be previously unpublished lyrics to all of his compositions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted January 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 6 days till the web site goes live. Can't wait to see what it will have. Maybe there'll be previously unpublished lyrics to all of his compositions. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 how come this is turning into a "Scrooge Bandleader" thread? It's not, it's just taking one of those patented Organissimo Thread Detours. based on what? some patented non-specified hearsay anecdotal thread-crap? I like those detours, as long as they stay positive. I do not think it is very nice to have a thread about Horace Silver and then fill it with all the shitty bandleader stories we can come up with. Somehow that strikes me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Needless to say, this band (and it's a huge one - 6 horn players, 5 female vocalists - is populated by people who either can't get other gigs or else just haven't yet learned how to get other gigs. But the "Company Store" type bandleader is not at all as uncommon as you might think. Or they can't get away because they already owe the boss so much money; the real point of the "Company store" operations. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 "some patented non-specified hearsay anecdotal thread-crap?" YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 "some patented non-specified hearsay anecdotal thread-crap?" YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH ? Leftover from the Dex thread. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 could be...either that or another Vietnam flashback from my courtmartial - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted January 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Anyone planning on reading Horace Silver's autobiography when it comes out in March? Maybe he'll have the story of the cassette tape in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Anyone planning on reading Horace Silver's autobiography when it comes out in March? Maybe he'll have the story of the cassette tape in it. The only thing more intrigueing to me than the autobiography is just what he plans to release from "the vault". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 yes- I've heard the working title of his book is "For Few Dollars More" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted January 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Alen, there has to be a reason why Horace asked for the 2 bucks for the cassette. Maybe he was made the guy backout at the last minute. This was a way of getting back at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted January 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 (edited) For a extra chagre, you can get an autographed copy of his autobiography. The site doesn't tell how much more it will cost. He's gotta make that buck. Edited January 31, 2006 by Hardbopjazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 $50 for an autographed book, $25 for an autographed photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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