Imus is gone

[7/4]

Imus & Sharpton?

I never liked either of those guys. Imus, I never paid attention to. Sharpton won't go away.

[Rooster_Ties]

A good handful of people here -- including some people whose opinions I often value on many other topics -- have defended Imus, at least to the point that they've said that they don't think he should have been fired over this latest flap.

Would any of you also care to defend his earlier on-air statement - which I think is just as bad (or maybe even much worse) than what he said about the Rutgers women's basketball team. To refresh everyone's memories...

Said about none other than Gwen Ifill...

“Isn’t The (New York) Times wonderful,” Mr. Nelson quoted Mr. Imus as saying on the radio. “It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House.”

(Full coverage earlier in this thread.)

My only question is why wasn't he fired a hell of a long time ago?? Seriously -- in this day and age, who the fuck says stuff like that in a public forum, where "saying stuff" (in that same public forum) is ALL they do for a living, and gets to keep their job??

Say enough shit like that, and eventually stuff's gonna happen, and some of that shit's eventually gonna hit some fan. Don't let the door hit you on your backside, Don.

Edited April 13, 2007 by Rooster_Ties

[Brad]

When will we as a society get to the point where an epithet used against a woman is considered as bad and offensive as a racial epithet?

I think we're partially there tonight. I just hope that with this incident behind us, that's not the end of it and that other transgressors are not let to business as usual.

Edited April 13, 2007 by Brad

[Jazzmoose]

In all honesty, my first reaction to all this was why fire Imus when Michael Savage is still around...

[JSngry]

When will we as a society get to the point where an epithet used against a woman is considered as bad and offensive as a racial epithet?

I think we're partially there tonight. I just hope that with this incident behind us, that's not the end of it and that other transgressors are not let to business as usual.

Good luck on that one...

Like the man said above, this one was easy. Real easy.

[7/4]

What RT said.

That cleaning lady comment was pretty stupid, I never heard it until a few days ago.

[BERIGAN]

Oh and since your brain must be at least the size of your typical dust mite, find some posts of me dumping on black folks, I double dog dare ya!

That's right, B.M.; as long as they know their place, Berigan has nothing against black folks...

Hey Mark, why don't you fuck youself? Don't tell me, let me guess...if you aren't a liberal, you are a racist, right?

[BERIGAN]

uh-oh....

[Jazzmoose]

Oh and since your brain must be at least the size of your typical dust mite, find some posts of me dumping on black folks, I double dog dare ya!

That's right, B.M.; as long as they know their place, Berigan has nothing against black folks...

Hey Mark, why don't you fuck youself? Don't tell me, let me guess...if you aren't a liberal, you are a racist, right?

Sorry; it's just that you were "dumping on black folks" in this very thread, so it was hard to resist...

[jmjk]

uh-oh....

it was only just a matter of time anyway.

[J Larsen]

In a bizarre twist, the governor of New Jersey is in critcal condition after nearly being killed on his way to moderate the meeting between Imus and the Rutgers team:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/cor...h.ap/index.html

I have conflicting feelings about this incident. Clearly what Imus said was tasteless and worthy of reprimand by his employer. On the other hand, I'm beyond tired of how much attention stories like this get, and I am also sick of how eager many people seem to be to play the victim role. A marginally relevant person says something nasty about you, and bam - you're doing to the press conferences, the teary-eyed interviews, the book deals, negotiating the rights for the made-for-TV movie, etc... I'm sorry but part of me just finds that sickening.

[paul secor]

My country was built on the foundations of racial separation, and I believe it will be one the factors that will ultimately destroy it. I'd like to believe otherwise, but I don't have a lot of hope about that.

[7/4]

In a bizarre twist, the governor of New Jersey is in critcal condition after nearly being killed on his way to moderate the meeting between Imus and the Rutgers team:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/cor...h.ap/index.html

I have conflicting feelings about this incident. Clearly what Imus said was tasteless and worthy of reprimand by his employer. On the other hand, I'm beyond tired of how much attention stories like this get, and I am also sick of how eager many people seem to be to play the victim role. A marginally relevant person says something nasty about you, and bam - you're doing to the press conferences, the teary-eyed interviews, the book deals, negotiating the rights for the made-for-TV movie, etc... I'm sorry but part of me just finds that sickening.

No big fan of politix in NJ, it's sad that someone came close to dying over this crap.

[JSngry]

On the other hand, I'm beyond tired of how much attention stories like this get, and I am also sick of how eager many people seem to be to play the victim role. A marginally relevant person says something nasty about you, and bam - you're doing to the press conferences, the teary-eyed interviews, the book deals, negotiating the rights for the made-for-TV movie, etc... I'm sorry but part of me just finds that sickening.

Me too. Not because Imus' comments "weren't that big of a deal" or any bullshit like that, just because it's a goddamned willful surrender of strength.

[alocispepraluger102]

In a bizarre twist, the governor of New Jersey is in critcal condition after nearly being killed on his way to moderate the meeting between Imus and the Rutgers team:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/cor...h.ap/index.html

I have conflicting feelings about this incident. Clearly what Imus said was tasteless and worthy of reprimand by his employer. On the other hand, I'm beyond tired of how much attention stories like this get, and I am also sick of how eager many people seem to be to play the victim role. A marginally relevant person says something nasty about you, and bam - you're doing to the press conferences, the teary-eyed interviews, the book deals, negotiating the rights for the made-for-TV movie, etc... I'm sorry but part of me just finds that sickening.

No big fan of politix in NJ, it's sad that someone came close to dying over this crap.

and the iranian parliament is bombed in the green zone, and few notice;

and imus is gone, and the ugliness;

and a large measure of our free speech, as well.

[alocispepraluger102]

On the other hand, I'm beyond tired of how much attention stories like this get, and I am also sick of how eager many people seem to be to play the victim role. A marginally relevant person says something nasty about you, and bam - you're doing to the press conferences, the teary-eyed interviews, the book deals, negotiating the rights for the made-for-TV movie, etc... I'm sorry but part of me just finds that sickening.

Me too. Not because Imus' comments "weren't that big of a deal" or any bullshit like that, just because it's a goddamned willful surrender of strength.

with all respect, wasnt the gov. just grabbing a photo op?

[7/4]

No big fan of politix in NJ, it's sad that someone came close to dying over this crap.

and the iranian parliament is bombed in the green zone, and few notice;

I did, yesterday was just a busy day for me. However, the office chatter yesterday was clearly about Imus. I'm glad I don't have to be there every day (I get to work out of my place).

Edited April 13, 2007 by 7/4

[7/4]

On the other hand, I'm beyond tired of how much attention stories like this get, and I am also sick of how eager many people seem to be to play the victim role. A marginally relevant person says something nasty about you, and bam - you're doing to the press conferences, the teary-eyed interviews, the book deals, negotiating the rights for the made-for-TV movie, etc... I'm sorry but part of me just finds that sickening.

Me too. Not because Imus' comments "weren't that big of a deal" or any bullshit like that, just because it's a goddamned willful surrender of strength.

with all respect, wasnt the gov. just grabbing a photo op?

Yep.

[Man with the Golden Arm]

man i just don't understand how this is:

a willful surrender of strength

or

how a large measure of our free speech is gone.

??

the man fugged up and got his ass deservingly fired ... boom! done!

it's like comparing apples to penguins to bring war and death etc ... into the equation.

the main thing is that he lost his gig. no amendments broken.

i really doubt that if at the end of a first dance solo the wedding band's piccolo player announces that the bride's garter smells of stinky cheese that the group would be rehired.

[Eric]

Imus - laughable dumbass

Victims - please chill

Sharptons/Jacksons etc. - what do you expect, this kind of stuff is their sweet spot (and they certainly are not alone)

Much bigger problem - rap lyrics and related "cult of degredation" of women (apparently Snoop said something to the effect that it is OK to call girls in rap songs hos because they really are hos - right)

Racial climate in the US - improved in my lifetime, far from perfect but most "regular" folks on all sides are trying to make it better, not worse

Edited April 13, 2007 by Eric

[Big Wheel]

(apparently Snoop said something to the effect that it is OK to call girls in rap songs hos because they really are hos - right)

Wrong. As loath as I am to defend Snoop, this is what he actually said:

[Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We’re talking about ho’s that’s in the ‘hood that ain’t doing sh–, that’s trying to get a n—a for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain’t no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them mutha—-as say we in the same league as him.

[Guy Berger]

(apparently Snoop said something to the effect that it is OK to call girls in rap songs hos because they really are hos - right)

Wrong. As loath as I am to defend Snoop, this is what he actually said:

[Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We’re talking about ho’s that’s in the ‘hood that ain’t doing sh–, that’s trying to get a n—a for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain’t no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them mutha—-as say we in the same league as him.

I don't think the correct quote makes Snoop look much better.

Guy

[Big Wheel]

There's at least a distinction being made between calling all women "'hos" - which is what Eric seemed to say he was doing - and calling a small subset of women he considers to be 'hos "'hos". I agree that it's still not a very sensitive comment.

[Brownian Motion]

(apparently Snoop said something to the effect that it is OK to call girls in rap songs hos because they really are hos - right)

Wrong. As loath as I am to defend Snoop, this is what he actually said:

[Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We’re talking about ho’s that’s in the ‘hood that ain’t doing sh–, that’s trying to get a n—a for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain’t no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them mutha—-as say we in the same league as him.

Looks like a distinction without much of a difference. I think that what Eric said is an accurate representation of Mr. Dogg's statement.

[Larry Kart]

Not because Imus' comments "weren't that big of a deal" or any bullshit like that, just because it's a goddamned willful surrender of strength.

Whose "strength" and what "strength"? Not being snarky, just don't get what you're saying here.