Red Garland on Prestige

[Late]

Finally found this out-of-print Mosaic ...

[Late]

I have a question about this Garland record — does anyone here have it on vinyl? On the grey market CD I have, there's no separation between tracks, effectively making the album one long track, as if Red's "playing the blues" without pause. Was this intentional? I'm wondering if the vinyl has no track separation as well. (The music, it almost goes without saying, is excellent.) Red solo is actually quite different than Red with bass and drums.

[kh1958]

33 minutes ago, Late said:

I have a question about this Garland record — does anyone here have it on vinyl? On the grey market CD I have, there's no separation between tracks, effectively making the album one long track, as if Red's "playing the blues" without pause. Was this intentional? I'm wondering if the vinyl has no track separation as well. (The music, it almost goes without saying, is excellent.) Red solo is actually quite different than Red with bass and drums.

I have Red Alone on a Moodsville LP, recorded on the same date (April 2, 1960), but not Alone with the Blues. On Red Alone, each track is separate. Red Alone is great.

Edited April 25, 2021 by kh1958

[Chuck Nessa]

2 minutes ago, kh1958 said:

I have Red Alone on a Moodsville LP, recorded on the same date (April 2, 1960), but not Alone with the Blues. On Red Alone, each track is separate. Red Alone is great.

They recorded 16 pieces at that session and titles from both lps were intermixed. I  think they just pulled out the blues titles for one record.

[Late]

1 hour ago, kh1958 said:

I have Red Alone on a Moodsville LP, recorded on the same date (April 2, 1960), but not Alone with the Blues. On Red Alone, each track is separate. Red Alone is great.

Agreed — the whole recording session produced two fine albums. They almost fit onto one compact disc. Well, 14 of the 16 tracks do. I actually like Alone With The Blues just a little bit better than Red Alone; kinda weird considering that they were recorded the same day.

But, you're right, the tracks on Red Alone are separated. Still wondering if the vinyl of Alone With The Blues has un-separated tracks ... if so, I wonder who made that choice.

[Chuck Nessa]

It is highly unlikely Prestige would issue a record in a format that discourages airplay.

[JSngry]

Did the Weinstock Family of Fine Recorded Musics do this "alone with the blues" concept record for anybody other pianists  besides Red and Ray Bryant?

[Late]

55 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said:

It is highly unlikely Prestige would issue a record in a format that discourages airplay.

Good point. It could be that the Euro PD disc I have squished the tracks together in order to fit them with another LP onto one compact disc. At any rate, here's the album in question:

 

[Mark13]

I have a Japanese mini-lp edition (VICJ-61103) of this  - which I think is not on Discogs - and on my copy the tracks are separated.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Mark13

[Late]

1 hour ago, Mark13 said:

I have a Japanese mini-lp edition (VICJ-61103) of this  - which I think is not on Discogs - and on my copy the tracks are separated.

Good to know. Your edition is indeed not on Discogs. That's the edition to have! My copy is annoying.  (I ripped it to digital files and then separated the tracks onto a CDR, but the track beginnings are still clipped.) Some day the Japanese market will get to this album once again. Then I will pounce! 

[Guy Berger]

Interesting to read this thread.

Red was a unique stylist who brought a great flavor to the Miles Davis quintet and made some nice albums with John Coltrane and Coleman Hawkins, but I don’t have much of an appetite for his trio work.

 

[Larry Kart]

Red's slow-motion version of "Mr. Wonderful" (on the double LP "Undiscovered Masters"), with Doug Watkins and Specs Wright, is a hallucinatory masterpiece. 

[JSngry]

3 hours ago, Guy Berger said:

Interesting to read this thread.

Red was a unique stylist who brought a great flavor to the Miles Davis quintet and made some nice albums with John Coltrane and Coleman Hawkins, but I don’t have much of an appetite for his trio work.

 

Try it with alcohol/weed and sex all at the ready.

Context, baby, context.

[jlhoots]

I've always had a "soft spot" for the Groovy trio album.

[Late]

On 4/29/2021 at 8:09 AM, Larry Kart said:

Red's slow-motion version of "Mr. Wonderful" ... is a hallucinatory masterpiece. 

 

20 hours ago, jlhoots said:

I've always had a "soft spot" for the Groovy trio album.

Red's version of "C Jam Blues" is a master class in swing.

I've been in a deep dive through Red's trio work (only up to 1962; haven't gotten to the later work yet). Really interesting to hear him with Chambers ... and then without Chambers. Those two had some serious Aquaman telepathy vibrations going on.

A Garland of Red may always be my favorite Garland trio record, but that's because it was my first. These days Red In Bluesville takes the cake. I admit that for years I tended to take Garland's playing for granted. But that was my loss. Nowadays I hear his touch (block chords/voicings) as nearly ever-pervasive in pianists that came after him. I think Bill Evans in particular listened closely to Red Garland.

[Gheorghe]

On 30.4.2021 at 5:36 PM, Late said:

 

Red's version of "C Jam Blues" is a master class in swing.

I've been in a deep dive through Red's trio work (only up to 1962; haven't gotten to the later work yet). Really interesting to hear him with Chambers ... and then without Chambers. Those two had some serious Aquaman telepathy vibrations going on.

A Garland of Red may always be my favorite Garland trio record, but that's because it was my first. These days Red In Bluesville takes the cake. I admit that for years I tended to take Garland's playing for granted. But that was my loss. Nowadays I hear his touch (block chords/voicings) as nearly ever-pervasive in pianists that came after him. I think Bill Evans in particular listened closely to Red Garland.

This one was the first I saw in the record shops in the 70´s. 

You must know, until then I didn´t have many albums. I had sold all Oscar Petersonalbums after hearing my first "real jazz album" Miles DAvis´ "Steaming". An from this moment on I "decided" that all those 5 musicians ar "the best of all" . That it was from my then perspective. So I wanted to purchase albums with them as leaders: Soon I bought this Red Garland, Trane´s "Soultrane" , Paul Chamber´s "High Step" and Philly Joe Jones´Blues for Dracula". 

[Late]

On 5/3/2021 at 4:08 AM, Gheorghe said:

I had sold all Oscar Peterson albums after hearing my first "real jazz album": Miles Davis' Steamin'.

[Late]

[JSngry]

18 hours ago, Late said:

That's just all kinds of wrong, that logo is.

[ghost of miles]

On 4/30/2021 at 11:36 AM, Late said:

These days Red In Bluesville takes the cake.

Synchronicity and all that jazz--I logged into the board just now to post that I was listening to this album, in honor of Red's birthday.  It's a sentimental favorite, because I'm pretty sure it's the first Garland I ever bought, after the album cover hooked me as a young record-store clerk.  It sounds awfully damn good all these years later, too:

[Late]

1 hour ago, ghost of miles said:

I logged into the board just now to post that I was listening to this album, in honor of Red's birthday.  It's a sentimental favorite, because I'm pretty sure it's the first Garland I ever bought, after the album cover hooked me as a young record-store clerk.  It sounds awfully damn good all these years later, too:

Whoa, didn't know it was his birthday! And, yes, how could that cover NOT hook someone? Cover art aside, it's a really good record. Red swings effortlessly.

6 hours ago, JSngry said:

That's just all kinds of wrong, that logo is.

How so?

[JSngry]

7 hours ago, Late said:

How so?

This is the correct logo for that cover:

That trident logo with that font did not come along until the very late 1960s, by which time the design of the Prestige covers was into a new bag altogether.

[Dub Modal]

1 hour ago, JSngry said:

That trident logo

Is it called a trident? I've always thought it looks like a traffic sign or the perspective of one laying down on the ground in the middle of a city and looking up at the buildings around them. 

[JSngry]

I've always heard/read about it as being called a "trident". There were variants on it before that one. What the actual point of any of them were...hell if I know!

[Late]

3 hours ago, JSngry said:

This is the correct logo for that cover:

Ah, that makes sense — if even just from a graphic design layout. The trident cover has some uneasy blank space at the top.