blind-blake Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I recently saw a video of Jimmy Smith playing using both hands, both feet, and his CHIN at the same time. Is this common practice among B3ers -- the use of one's chin, that is? Is this strictly a Jimmy Smith thing? Is this really just showmanship or legitimate technique? Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 This question should be for all keyboard players and expanded to elbows, arms, butts. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 A jaw-dropping effect when used on Chin-Chin-Che-ree or Capuchin Swing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Is this really just showmanship or legitimate technique? Uh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) Considering, i saw him taking out his dentures out of his mouth and playing the theme of Jaws while waving them. I would say that showmanship might be an option. Edited October 24, 2007 by Van Basten II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I once saw Don Patterson use his tongue on the B-3 keyboard, "humorously" simulating cunnilingus. Showmanship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 You remember Errol Flynn at the piano? Now that was chops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I once saw Don Patterson use his tongue on the B-3 keyboard, "humorously" simulating cunnilingus. Showmanship. ... and what did it sound like that was coming out of the Leslie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I played in Greece this summer and was offered a digital piano without a sustain pedal; had to use my chin on the final chord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Is there something wrong with showmanship? MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 well, I don't want to cast any aspersions, but Patterson's Leslie was a male - not that there's anything wrong with that - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Is there something wrong with showmanship? MG If the player is more interested in doing gimmicks than actually creating artistic content, yes. But some showmanship to keep everyone entertained is well appreciated and makes fore a more memorable evening. Don't think we currently have much of a problem of having too many players guilty of offering too much showmanship ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Don't think we currently have much of a problem of having too many players guilty of offering too much showmanship ? Definitely agreed! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregN Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I once saw Don Patterson use his tongue on the B-3 keyboard, "humorously" simulating cunnilingus. Showmanship. I am not so sure about that...could be half technique... wait, what was the question... I once saw Jim A pick up Randy (his drummer) and drag him across the keys...that was awesome! Nice percussive technique... (I should sleep more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 There is that old gimmick from organ players: to create tension and excitement on live gigs by holding the same note for an extended number of bars. I've heard it on several recordings and the crowd usually loves it. Personally I think it's boring, but I'm curious to now if it's generally conisdered to be showmanship to some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 There is that old gimmick from organ players: to create tension and excitement on live gigs by holding the same note for an extended number of bars. I've heard it on several recordings and the crowd usually loves it. Personally I think it's boring, but I'm curious to now if it's generally conisdered to be showmanship to some degree. If it creates tension and excitement, what more do we need to know? If a comedian makes the audience laugh, do we ask how much is showmanship/delivery and how much the inherent wit of what he says? MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I read somewhere (Gourse?) that Jimmy Smith often played the Leno Music Inn. I am told that organists will use any extremity if it produces the desired effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I once heard that Jack McDuff locked a pressed key with a match to go to the bar and have a beer while the band played on ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I once saw Jim A pick up Randy (his drummer) and drag him across the keys...that was awesome! That's one way to stop him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 There is that old gimmick from organ players: to create tension and excitement on live gigs by holding the same note for an extended number of bars. I've heard it on several recordings and the crowd usually loves it. Personally I think it's boring, but I'm curious to now if it's generally conisdered to be showmanship to some degree. Well, it's not very hard to do, that's for sure. And audiences do seem to like it (because it's an easy way to create tension as mentioned). I would consider it part of showmanship. When I hear it done on a live recording I can excuse it, but on a studio record it's a bit cliche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Be glad it was just his chin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zetQ2RgfdW0# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Be glad it was just his chin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zetQ2RgfdW0# I think that's notshow-manship. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I once saw Don Patterson use his tongue on the B-3 keyboard, "humorously" simulating cunnilingus. Showmanship. ... and what did it sound like that was coming out of the Leslie? It sounded like perfectly normal, single-note stuff. It was the visual part -- the mock (I hope) slurping and the actual twirling and wiggling of the tongue -- that was the show. Sorry if I've ruined your breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 there used to be this idiot saxophone player In New Haven who couldn't play his way out of a paper bag but who was able to do the circular breathing thing and hold a note for about 3 minutes, or something like that - the crowd loved it. I used to follow him at jam sessions by playing a lot of quick, short notes, holding nothing for more than a split second, but nobody got the joke except me and the bass player - the crowd probably thought I had emphysema - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Showmanship = physicality = just another means of expression = communication Of course, it'll vary widely based on the quality of both performer and audience (such is symbiosis, when it exists), but the point is that "regular" audiences (i'e. - people who don't participate in music as a purely "academic" exercise of pure intellectuality and/or theoretical analysis) are more than capable of receiveing messages from visual as well as from aural stimuli. A performing artist ignores this at his/her peril unless he/she is lucky enough to only perform for people who thorugh either natural inclination or behavioral modification are only capable of processing musical information through their ears. But otherwise, if the object is to communicate, then by all means, communicate by all means. In other words, sometime the "showmanship" is actually a part - to one degree or another - of the music, and looking at it as something "apart" is a mistake. Sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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