clifford_thornton Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 The Actuel recording is "Ramblin" I believe, and has been issued a couple of times (and perhaps originally) on Red from Italy. It was recorded in Rome in 1966 if memory serves. Yeah, I have both editions and it's hard to tell which was first; I am not sure when Red came on the scene, but assumed it was in the mid-70s. The session was recorded at the RCA Italiana studios, not that that precludes a label affiliation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Red came last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Thanks, Chuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Which has the better sound? Or are they both not so hot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fkimbrough Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I did a gig once with Barry, and asked him about the "test" that Paul used to give musicians where he would drop them off someplace in a strange town, and they had to find a girl, a car, a phone, and some smoke by the end of the day, and Barry replied unhappily "that MF stranded me in Rome!" Apparently Louis Moholo found him sleeping on the Spanish Steps. At least that's the way I remember it.........and who knows how it really went down! Of course, that latter portion was left out of Stopping Time. Pardon the furthering of this digression, but you might be interested to read my Altschul interview at AAJ. He did at least give Altschul credit for being the only cat to "pass the test". He must have found some good smoke! I saw your AAJ interview with Barry in NYC print edition - very nice, and long overdue. Saw him a month or so ago, and he's looking very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Which has the better sound? Or are they both not so hot? I think the BYG sounds a little better to my recollection - if memory serves, the Red was murkier by a hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Coming in April 2008 ESP 1006 ORNETTE COLEMAN, Town Hall 1962 ESP 1016 ALBERT AYLER, DON CHERRY, JOHN TCHICAI, GARY PEACOCK, SONNY MURRAY, Eye and Ear Control ESP 1052 JAMES ZITRO, Zitro ESP 3013 FRANK LOWE, Black Beings ESP 4043 DON CHERRY, Live At Cafe Montmartre 1966, Volume Two ESP 4044 YUGANAUT, This Musicship I wish the full Town Hall concert would come out at some point. I believe Ornette has the tapes. They were originally slugged as two Blue Note lps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 The Zitro is one of my favorite ESP sessions. Hope it gets some much-deserved press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jostber Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I wonder when "Universe in Blue" will be released? http://search2.downtownmusicgallery.com/lo..._05_31_22_32_04 http://www.answers.com/topic/universe-in-b...t=entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I don't know. I do know that there has historically been some connection between ESP and Art Yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Coming in April 2008 ESP 1006 ORNETTE COLEMAN, Town Hall 1962 ESP 1016 ALBERT AYLER, DON CHERRY, JOHN TCHICAI, GARY PEACOCK, SONNY MURRAY, Eye and Ear Control ESP 1052 JAMES ZITRO, Zitro ESP 3013 FRANK LOWE, Black Beings ESP 4043 DON CHERRY, Live At Cafe Montmartre 1966, Volume Two ESP 4044 YUGANAUT, This Musicship I wish the full Town Hall concert would come out at some point. I believe Ornette has the tapes. They were originally slugged as two Blue Note lps. Thanks for posting this info. I've never heard the Zitro or Yuganaut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jostber Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I don't know. I do know that there has historically been some connection between ESP and Art Yard. From "On Jupiter": "Fourth album in this ultra-deluxe (and fully authorized) Sun Ra/El Saturn reissue program by Artyard. Originally issued as El Saturn 101679, recorded on 10/16/79, never reissued before in any form. " On Jupiter is near ideal as an introduction to the musical worlds of Sun Ra. It has a magical mix of colours from Sun Ras varied palette. Beneath its compelling surface lie many layers of musical detail, and numerous hints as to where Sun Ra was coming from and where he was heading. It combines real depth with beauty and hits you the first time you hear it. On Jupiter represents Sun Ras closest encounter with the world of disco. In the late 1970s he made other albums which also gesture in this direction -- Lanquidity has a jazz-rock feel while remaining firmly part of the Ra omniverse, this is true too of Disco 3000 despite its title. On Jupiter really has only one track which fits the disco tag -- UFO -- but this piece is such a strong statement that it becomes the centre of gravity of the album. The title track, On Jupiter, features Marshall Allens oboe and Sun Ras piano, along with guitars and bass and multi-layered percussion. This is the first appearance on record of this piece, afterwards to remain a frequently performed item in the Arkestras book. Sun Ra would reportedly rehearse his band to the point of exhaustion, but in the studio his was usually a one-take approach, close to a concert performance. This did not necessarily mean that every album appeared in the form it was recorded. On Jupiter , like Lanquidity (but unlike Disco 3000 , essentially a live recording) owes a lot of its final sound to post-production. The album was mixed by Michael Ray, who layered in prerecorded material with that produced in the studio -- Sun Ra sent Ray back to the Arkestra base during the mixing session, and Ray returned with a handful of tapes. Close listening would suggest that some of the guitar and percussion and possibly some vocals were added in this way." -- Chris Trent. All Artyard Sun Ra LP releases are issued in cooperation with ESP-Disk and Ihnfinity Is, along w/ the approval of Marshall Allen & the current members of the Arkestra." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Up. Was wondering if anyone picked up any of the new reissues. Saw the James and Bley in the store the other day. They're digipaks whereas the Cherry Vol. 2 is a jewel case. Its kinda strange how some are issued in jewel cases and others in digipaks. What's the logic there. And then... I almost bought Burton Greene's Bloom in the Commune only to find out that its really a reissue of the Burton Green Quartet. Now that's annoying . Why the hell can't ESP just release the album with the original title and artwork, so people don't end up buying something thinking its new material or something? At first glance, I thought it was some live album until I had to look at it real close. They did this already with Ayler's Spirits Rejoice and the Murray, although they didn't change the titles at least. But I'm starting to get really irritated and had to vent about the new ESP. I guess can't complain too much because they are getting some great material out like the Cherrys and the Howard/Phillips. Okay, I feel better now. -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 I have only bought the Cherry Vol. 2. . .and my copy is a digipak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 The Frank Lowe is fantastic. Worth rebuying, because it has 15 minutes of more music that was discovered -- the original issue was edited down. Got the Zitro but haven't listened to it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 That's good to know about the Lowe, which I have on LP. The Zitro is fantastic, one of the hidden treasures of the catalog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Up. Was wondering if anyone picked up any of the new reissues. Saw the James and Bley in the store the other day. They're digipaks whereas the Cherry Vol. 2 is a jewel case. Its kinda strange how some are issued in jewel cases and others in digipaks. What's the logic there. According to the ESPDISK site the new re-issue of the Cherry Vol.2 is a digipack. Sounds like you were looking at an old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Maybe the Cherry was a digipak. Can't remember now since its been a week, but I thought I was holding a jewelcase when I looking at it in the store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 My Cherry is also a digipack. Quite a nice release! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Maybe the Cherry was a digipak. Can't remember now since its been a week, but I thought I was holding a jewelcase when I looking at it in the store. There are two volumes with similar artwork. The first is a jewel case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Right. One's tan and the other's red or something like that with the same design. Now, why would ESP put one out in a jewel and the other in a digi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Right. One's tan and the other's red or something like that with the same design. Now, why would ESP put one out in a jewel and the other in a digi? Remember - we're talking ESP here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Good point Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted May 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 From the latest DMG newsletter..... :) Four more ESPs Remastered FROM ORIGINAL MASTER TAPES [not from vinyl EQ'd safeties]! HENRY GRIMES TRIO - The Call (ESP Disk 1026; USA) Born in 1935 in Philly, Henry Grimes was one of the most remarkable bassists of the 1960s free jazz movement. This historic session, recorded for ESP-Disk' in 1965, is one of Grimes' few recordings as leader and features the extraordinary Perry Robinson on clarinet. CD $12 MILFORD GRAVES With SUNNY MORGAN - Percussion Ensemble (ESP Disk 1015; USA) This is drum legend Milford Graves' first solo album originally released in 1965 and recorded with percussionist Sunny Morgan as a duo. Milford Graves has been one of the main drummers in the free-form mode scene and known for skillful inclusion of Asian and African rhythmic ingredients into his solos. He worked with the New York Art Quartet, Giuseppi Logan, Albert Ayler, Don Pullen, Andrew Cyrille and many more. Great liner notes, photos and re-mastered from the original tapes. CD $12 GIUSEPPI LOGAN QUARTET With DON PULLEN/MILFORD GRAVES/EDDIE GOMEZ - Giuseppi Logan Quartet (ESP Disk 1007; USA) "Originally released in 1964 as ESP 1007. This is the very fine debut album (featuring Don Pullen, Eddie Gomex and Milford Graves)." CD $12.00 HOLY MODAL ROUNDERS - Indian War Whoop (ESP Disk 1068; USA) The Rounders first electric outing from '67 and the only one to feature their most cosmos-expanding lineup (including playwright Sam Shephard). This is the sound of speed-shooting hillbillies discovering the secrets of life in the sewers below the Peace Eye Bookstore. Loose, psych-out, folkish stumble, a perfect period piece. One of the strangest and coolest albums I've ever encountered. CD $12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 All fine but who's Eddie Gomex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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