mikeweil Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 I must admit I love 'em all: Serge Chaloff - Blue Serge is a desert island disc Cecil Payne - love his lightness, especially on Ray Crawford's Candid CD Harry Carney - he should have done more soloing in small groups Pepper Adams Gary Smulyan Ronnie Cuber Leo Parker Tate Houston (check out the Delmark Sir Charles Thompson sides!) Gil Mellé Two not yet mentioned: Pat Patrick (yeah!!!) Charles Davis (was disappointed when he turned to tenor, but he still plays bari and got a rave review in Jazz Times for his latest CD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randissimo Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 I dig Cecil Payne's work too. Another guy I like is Tate Houston. I've only heard him on the Fuller BONE and BARI session, but his work stands out on it. Pepper is probably my favorite though. Ronnie Cuber is da man! ... Ralphie, I dig your Zappa avatar! I used to have that album... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Got to go with Pepper Adams and Mulligan as my favorites. Cecil is not too far down the list either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted October 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 I almost forgot about Pat Patrick. Sun Ra's band wouldn't be the same without him. Fine command of the horn. What albums did Patrick record on outside of the Arkestra? And did he have any leader sessions? (And did he have any solos on the work he did with Andrew Hill?) Please let me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Pat Patrick actually had a band called the Baritone Retinue - 8 baritone players plus rhythm section. It started around 1972 and they made one record for Saturn around 1976 or 1977 (I think it's the only Saturn album without Sun Ra). The baritone players on the album were PP, Charles Davis, Kenny Rogers, Jabbo Ware, Mario Rivera, Reynold Scott, Rene McLean, George Barrow. I saw Bruce Johnston play maybe three years ago with a Kenton alumni band led by Mike Vax. He played some alto as well. In that band he wasn't even always the bottom of the section because they had bass saxophone there as well for some things. While I'm here - newer guy to mention: Charlie Kohlhase. Good work with the Either/Orchestra, with the Mandala Octet, and with his own quintet. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Pat Patrick plays on A.K. Salim's AFRO SOUL/DRUM ORGY, a beautiful gem of an album on Prestige that has a fronline of himself, Yusef Lateef, & Johnny Coles playing over an African drum choir. Not likely to be reissued on CD anytime soon, I'd think, because of it's "eccentric" nature, but well worth picking up if you find it on vinyl. I saw Mario Rivera playing tenor w/a Tito Puente-led Latin Jazz All-Stars group in 1981, and he BURNED (among others in the band were Jorge Dalto & Andy Gonzalez. A very "avant-Latin" leaning band and a very great one). Ditto for the bari solo he plays on TIPICA '73 EN HAVANA, a salsa album on Fania. This is one interesting player that I have a hard time finding on records. But the cat is a serious player "deserving of wider recognition" as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTMX Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Maybe I missed it, but has anyone mentioned the Three Baritone Saxophone Band (Cuber, Brignola & Smulyan with bassist Andy McKee and drummer Joe Farnsworth) and their recording "Plays Mulligan"? Great stuff - especially the title song from the noir classic, "I Want To Live". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tapscott Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Ya'know, I don't know whatever became of Bruce Johnston, Yes, that's right Jim, - a great baritone player. Anyone who's not convinced try to find Maynard Ferguson MF Horn 3 on Columbia or especially MF Horn 4&5 Live at Jimmy's. I believe he lives now in uptate New York and still plays a mean baritone, appearing on the recent Mike Vax "On the Road" CD on Summit records. He solos on a couple of pieces including his own comp. "Sunrise Lady" (which he had previously recorded with Woody Herman). But the Maynard days were really his high point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tapscott Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Maybe I missed it, but has anyone mentioned the Three Baritone Saxophone Band (Cuber, Brignola & Smulyan with bassist Andy McKee and drummer Joe Farnsworth) and their recording "Plays Mulligan"? Great stuff - especially the title song from the noir classic, "I Want To Live". That is a great Cd, but what drives me nuts about it is that the baritone solo order is never identified. It always bugs me supremely when someone is soloing and I don't know who it is. I think I have figured out who solos when and there is fairly good stereo separation on the soloists, but since these guys all have a similar style, I'm not absolutely sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tapscott Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Has anyone metioned Joe Temperley? Of course, he holds the baritone chair in the LCJO, but he has recorded on his own too. He's a great player. I have a Hep album he made with Jimmy Knepper, a Hep CD called "Concerto for Joe" (big band and quartet tracks), plus his duo Cd with Dave McKenna on Concord. I love his warm, "reedy" sound, almost a classical baritone sound I would imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 That is a great Cd, but what drives me nuts about it is that the baritone solo order is never identified. It always bugs me supremely when someone is soloing and I don't know who it is. I think I have figured out who solos when and there is fairly good stereo separation on the soloists, but since these guys all have a similar style, I'm not absolutely sure. John, here's the solo order: 1. Line for lyons - Smulyan-Brignola-Cuber 2. Blueport - Brignola-Cuber-Smulyan 3. I want to live - Cuber 4. Walkin' Shoes - Cuber-Brignola-Smulyan 5. Elevation - Cuber-Brignola-Smulyan 6. Black Nighttown - Smulyan 7. Bernie's Tune - Cuber-Brignola-Smulyan 8. Festive Minor - Brignola 9. Theme for Jobim - Smulyan-Brignola-Cuber 10. Five Brothers - Smulyan-Brignola-Cuber 11. Lonesome Boulevard - Smulyan-Brignola-Cuber 12. Waltz for Geraldus - Cuber-Smulyan-Brignola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Has anyone metioned Joe Temperley? Of course, he holds the baritone chair in the LCJO, but he has recorded on his own too. He's a great player. I have a Hep album he made with Jimmy Knepper, a Hep CD called "Concerto for Joe" (big band and quartet tracks), plus his duo Cd with Dave McKenna on Concord. I love his warm, "reedy" sound, almost a classical baritone sound I would imagine. Joe Temperley is indeed a fine Bari player (he plays mean clarinet as well). Je is THE Carney disciple nowadays. Checkout "Nightingale" on Hep and his Naxos Jazz recordings for other fine examples of his work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Another latter day Bari player that I like is Glenn Wilson. He has some very nice CDs out on "Sunnyside" Label. check out his website with some very nice live MP3s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tapscott Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 That is a great Cd, but what drives me nuts about it is that the baritone solo order is never identified. John, here's the solo order: WL, that's really helpful. I've printed it out for insertion in the jewel case. Thanks alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryan Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Here's a guy that has not been mentioned yet: Alex Harding. I bought his latest disc, INVOCATION FOR PEPPER (which is on the CIMP label), after reading the review in Cadence, and enjoy it quite a bit. He's more of an outsidish leaning player, although there's enough "inside" playing here to balance things out. It's a trio disc with bass (Dominic Duval) and drums (Jay Rosen). The tunes are mainly standards, although don't expect a "straight ahead" reading of them. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom in RI Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 White Lightning beat me to it (hi, Barak!) but I want to second a rec for Glenn Wilson a regular contributor over at rec.music.bluenote and a helluva player. His latest release is a live date that is outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Glenn Wilson... His latest release is a live date that is outstanding. I second that (Hi Tom, long time!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Belated recognition to Jack Washington of the "Old Testament" Basie band. He didn't get to solo much (on record anyway), but when he did, it was always good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 (edited) Pat Patrick played in Mongo Santamaria's Band for several years, Bobby Capers or Hubert Laws was the other saxophonist, and they all doubled like wild, all playing alto, tenor, baritone and flute, so there is only one Patrick bari solo per LP. Same for the Riverside sessions he played on, he's on three tracks of the Frank Strozier "Long Night", three of Blue Mitchell's "A Sure Thing" and the like. Jimmy Heath's "Really Big" is another one where he played bari. On my quest for Patrick in the Bruyninckx disco I found some rare bird: "The Sensational Guitars of Dan and Dale" which are Danny Kalb and Steve Katz (the latter of Blood, Sweat & Tears fame). The band features Al Kooper (both guitarists were in his Blues Project) and SUN RA !!! on organ and Jimmy Owens, Tom McIntosh, Marshall Allen, John Gilmore and Pat Patrick as horn section!!! Now that should be something!!! Anybody heard this??? Recorded in 1966 for Tifton S-78002. The album is called "Batman and Robin" - the song titles are what you're afraid it will be after reading the album title. Temperley is great. He is featured on Benny Carter's sax ensemble CD on MusicMasters. Edited January 3, 2004 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD45 Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Tim Berne plays some mean bari. The cut "Worms" on the Spring Heel Jack "Masses" disc is some incendiary playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Pat Patrick actually had a band called the Baritone Retinue - 8 baritone players plus rhythm section. It started around 1972 and they made one record for Saturn around 1976 or 1977 (I think it's the only Saturn album without Sun Ra). The baritone players on the album were PP, Charles Davis, Kenny Rogers, Jabbo Ware, Mario Rivera, Reynold Scott, Rene McLean, George Barrow. Am I right it is hopeless to ask for availability of this item? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 (edited) Another Bari Player who deserves a wider recognition is Jack Nimitz. I believe he only has 1 studio recording as a leader: "Confirmation" on Fresh sound. Mr. Nimitz played with Woody Herman band in 53-55, with Kenton's Band 55-56, 58-59 and also with Terry Gibbs' Dream band (late 50s - early 60s) . He also has 1 or two live recordings on the obscure woofy records (sp) and that's it. A very fine mainstream-bop player. Edited October 25, 2003 by White Lightning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTMX Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Here's a guy that has not been mentioned yet: Alex Harding. I bought his latest disc, INVOCATION FOR PEPPER (which is on the CIMP label), after reading the review in Cadence, and enjoy it quite a bit. He's more of an outsidish leaning player, although there's enough "inside" playing here to balance things out. It's a trio disc with bass (Dominic Duval) and drums (Jay Rosen). The tunes are mainly standards, although don't expect a "straight ahead" reading of them. Check it out. Previous to "Invocation", Harding recorded the aptly named "Freeflow" CD for CIMP also using a bari/bass/drum trio. And he steals the show on Ahmed Abdullah's "Actual Proof", also on CIMP. A very soulful free-jazzer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTMX Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Tim Berne plays some mean bari. The cut "Worms" on the Spring Heel Jack "Masses" disc is some incendiary playing. I saw Berne's Bloodcount in Atlanta a few years ago and the second song of the set had this funky baritone-anchored groove - at least until the song mutated into something else. It turned out to be "Screwgun", which popped up on the "Saturation Point" CD. Berne's best riffs seem to always show up on baritone - like "Bro'ball" on "Unwound" or "Eye Are Us" on the "Discretion" CD. It was those performances that sent me to the music store to pick up a baritone for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom in RI Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Someone mentioned Jim Hartog in this thread. He will be featured in a Cadence interview soon. I would recommend Time and the City on Planet X records by Hartog and either disc by the East Down Septet for more from this under recorded bari man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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