Mosaic Crosby set

[AllenLowe]

I second the Ethel Waters, especially the stuff she did with Muddy -

[gmonahan]

I second the Ethel Waters, especially the stuff she did with Muddy -

The Wet Album?

[AllenLowe]

that's the one with Maxine Waters - or maybe the White Album (the one with Johnny Winter) -

[ghost of miles]

How 'bout BRIDGE OVER MUDDY WATERS: SIMON AND GARFUNKEL PLAY THE BLUES?

[tranemonk]

not to hijack this thread..... :unsure: but does anyone have any thoughts about the upcoming Sinatra box below?

thanks

I'll be skipping this one..

but I've got my eye on this new Sinatra release coming out in November...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...ER&v=glance

I generally avoid the pop/jazz vocal icons... but the Sinatra has got me interested....

[jazzbo]

I'm definitely going to skip the Sinatra box.

[vajerzy]

not to hijack this thread..... :unsure: but does anyone have any thoughts about the upcoming Sinatra box below?

thanks

I'll be skipping this one..

but I've got my eye on this new Sinatra release coming out in November...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...ER&v=glance

I generally avoid the pop/jazz vocal icons... but the Sinatra has got me interested....

I'm interested- I have much Sinatra- but I'm partial to his radio shows from the 40s.

I like Bing- I'm not familiar with his music with a trio. I have WWII era stuff.

[Bill Nelson]

Personally, I don't know anyone who'd buy a 7 CD box o' Bing for $112.00 (my price guess).

I don't know if that says more about me or the company I keep.

You're right... we're philistines -- and cheap ones at that !!

Meanwhile, the Andorrans have got plenty of public domain Bing packages selling for nearly a dollar a disc.

With all this upfront risk, I sure hope Mosaic doesn't go down 'ex post fucto'.

[tranemonk]

I guess you don't consider Sinatra a jazz singer? :unsure: Or do you and he's just not your cup of tea...?

I'm definitely going to skip the Sinatra box.

[Cliff Englewood]

Personally, I don't know anyone who'd buy a 7 CD box o' Bing for $112.00 (my price guess).

It would be $119 plus shipping. 7 cd Mosaic sets are usually that price.

I don't know if there are 1000 people in the world who would pay that for a 7 cd set of Bing, especially with just a trio backing him on all 7 discs, in good times or bad.

[tranemonk]

Coupla hundred maybe.... but I will not be among them....

Personally, I don't know anyone who'd buy a 7 CD box o' Bing for $112.00 (my price guess).

It would be $119 plus shipping. 7 cd Mosaic sets are usually that price.

I don't know if there are 1000 people in the world who would pay that for a 7 cd set of Bing, especially with just a trio backing him on all 7 discs, in good times or bad.

[jazzbo]

I guess you don't consider Sinatra a jazz singer? :unsure: Or do you and he's just not your cup of tea...?

I'm definitely going to skip the Sinatra box.

Something like that. No interest in Sinatra.

Personally, I don't know anyone who'd buy a 7 CD box o' Bing for $112.00 (my price guess).

It would be $119 plus shipping. 7 cd Mosaic sets are usually that price.

I don't know if there are 1000 people in the world who would pay that for a 7 cd set of Bing, especially with just a trio backing him on all 7 discs, in good times or bad.

Well, time will tell if you're mistaken or not.

[neveronfriday]

If it keeps Mosaic well afloat, why not?

Couldn't care less if they published the Britney Spears remasters, incl. a fold-out calendar and a blow-up doll.

I don't have to buy the set.

And, I think a lot of people on here are underestimating The Bing's fan base.

A 1000 units?

Lol

Add at least one zero to that.

[porcy62]

If it keeps Mosaic well afloat, why not?

Couldn't care less if they published the Britney Spears remasters, incl. a fold-out calendar and a blow-up doll.

I don't have to buy the set.

And, I think a lot of people on here are underestimating The Bing's fan base.

A 1000 units?

Lol

Add at least one zero to that.

May I have the calendar and the doll without the cds?

[Cliff Englewood]

And, I think a lot of people on here are underestimating The Bing's fan base.

A 1000 units?

Lol

Add at least one zero to that.

I don't think anyone is talking about Bing's fan base, it's whether or not any of them are even aware of Mosaic and if so, would they shell out on a set like the one being proposed.

[ghost of miles]

I think that--as with the Four Freshmen--Mosaic will snag a fair # of buyers who don't normally patronize the company. I posted something about it on the Crosby Facebook page and the moderator responded with, "Hold tight till the official BCE (Bing Crosby Enterprises) announcement"...I'm sure it will be promoted widely outside of the normal Mosaic advertising range (they'll probably aim for a high-profile Wall Street Journal review from Friedwald, too, or something along those lines). I don't think Mosaic will have much trouble at all selling an initial run of 1000 copies during the holiday season.

[Cliff Englewood]

I think that--as with the Four Freshmen--Mosaic will snag a fair # of buyers who don't normally patronize the company. I posted something about it on the Crosby Facebook page and the moderator responded with, "Hold tight till the official BCE (Bing Crosby Enterprises) announcement"...I'm sure it will be promoted widely outside of the normal Mosaic advertising range (they'll probably aim for a high-profile Wall Street Journal review from Friedwald, too, or something along those lines). I don't think Mosaic will have much trouble at all selling an initial run of 1000 copies during the holiday season.

Let's hope so.

[kenny weir]

I don't think anyone is talking about Bing's fan base, it's whether or not any of them are even aware of Mosaic and if so, would they shell out on a set like the one being proposed.

Maybe they don't know about Mosaic, but wouldn't this travel the same road as sets on Bear Family by the likes of Doris Day and NK Cole?

That is, the Bing cult would spread the word by mouth and cyberwise.

I'd guess a fair chunk of BF's Day and Cole sets went to people who don't own boxes by, oh, Merle Haggard, Bill Monroe or Smiley Lewis.

[Teasing the Korean]

I don't know if there are 1000 people in the world who would pay that for a 7 cd set of Bing, especially with just a trio backing him on all 7 discs, in good times or bad.

Assuming you're right - and you very well may be:

Isn't it amazing how times have changed?

Here was a guy who was considered the absolute greatest among male pop singers - the center of a generation's musical universe - and he's rapidly becoming a footnote in musical history.

Strange.

[JETman]

I don't know if there are 1000 people in the world who would pay that for a 7 cd set of Bing, especially with just a trio backing him on all 7 discs, in good times or bad.

Assuming you're right - and you very well may be:

Isn't it amazing how times have changed?

Here was a guy who was considered the absolute greatest among male pop singers - the center of a generation's musical universe - and he's rapidly becoming a footnote in musical history.

Strange.

Probably due in no small part to all the bad press his personal life has gotten over the years.

[AllenLowe]

let us remember, please, that Doris Day, in the 1950s, was one of the greatest female singers - she's even gonna be in my blues set -

which also includes a Bing/Whiteman from 1927 -

so you can't go wrong with those two -

Edited September 17, 2009 by AllenLowe

[jazzbo]

I don't know about a footnote. . . . I mean yes, on these forums. But these are not the only places or even media that jazz fans, and popular music fans of the previous decades, which may be even more relevant, use.

[crisp]

Here was a guy who was considered the absolute greatest among male pop singers - the center of a generation's musical universe - and he's rapidly becoming a footnote in musical history.

I don't think he'll ever be a footnote in musical history, but he's probably an irrelevancy to the contemporary pop music market, except at Christmas. The average person probably thinks of him more as an old film actor than a recording artist. The fact is, most people aren't interested in the past at all.

[crisp]

not to hijack this thread..... :unsure: but does anyone have any thoughts about the upcoming Sinatra box?

It looks to me like a New York equivalent to the Vegas live box that came out a few years ago. I bought that box, but have only played it once. Sinatra's live shows get a bit samey after a while, at least to my ears. Plus this is mostly late-period Frank with all the issues that entails. I'll probably pick it up if it ever enters a sale.

[ghost of miles]

Along with the great news about Threadgill/Air today, some more info from Mosaic's site about the Crosby box:

Bing Crosby: The Bing Crosby CBS Recordings 1954-56 (MD7-245)

(Release Date: November, 2009)

Bing Crosby and Louis Armstrong revolutionized the art of singing and changed the course of American music forever. Of course, they did it with recordings like “Just One More Chance” and “Heebie Jeebies” rather than “White Christmas” and “Hello Dolly.”

Recently, the Bing Crosby estate has begun cataloguing and restoring music recorded for Crosby’s various radio programs. The 160 songs in this Mosaic collection were recorded with the Buddy Cole Quartet between 1954 and 1956 for Bing’s CBS show are absolutely revelatory. Crosby’s early jazz roots informed his influential career as a pop singer. To our knowledge, these are the only recorded performances of Crosby singing the Great American Songbook in an informal atmosphere with a consummate small jazz ensemble. Without the pressure of phonograph recording sessions which by definition are always in search of hits, these recordings put Crosby’s artistry in bold relief and redefine the depths of his art.

Only 16 of these performances were commercially released over three Decca albums. The personnel (Buddy Cole on keyboards, Vince Terri on guitar, Don Whitaker on bass and Nick Fatool on drums and percussion) is consistent throughout. The repertoire includes plenty of Cole Porter, George Gershwin and Fats Waller. One 13-song session adds clarinetist Matty Matlock, tenor saxophonist Fred Falensby, trumpeter Clyde Hurley and trombonist Abe Lincoln and finds Bing exploring his roots on tunes like “Muskrat Ramble”, “That’s A-Plenty” and “At The Jazz Band Ball.”