brownie Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 The right thing to do... From SIlive Chuck Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Nice to see this happen. Thanks for the info, brownie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I'd love to see the score for "In a Chinese Garden." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Here's one of my photos that I dug up recently: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmilovan Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Another hero! It is really good thing his heritage will be preserved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 well....I don't know why she didn't give it to Rutgers, which makes all these things accessible. I hope the L of C does the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) LC will eventually catalog this, but it could take years. IJS is very limited in staff. I don't know when they'd get around to organizing it. On the plus side, they would probably let a serious researcher look at the material even before it is cataloged. LC will not let anyone touch it until it is 'processed'. I wonder if there is some sort of lead sheet for 'Solar' in this collection, since allegedly he is the real composer. Bertrand. Edited March 16, 2011 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fer Urbina Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Larry Appelbaum has dug up proof on who composed "Solar". Here. F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Larry Appelbaum has dug up proof on who composed "Solar". Here. F At last! Thank the Lord! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I've upgraded my Flash player and the sample still won't play. What's up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fer Urbina Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I've upgraded my Flash player and the sample still won't play. What's up with that? I don't know. It plays OK for me F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I've upgraded my Flash player and the sample still won't play. What's up with that? I don't know. It plays OK for me F For me, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hmmm...no luck in either Firefox or IE. Oh well. When do we get the Eddie Vinson papers? That Miles Davis guy needs to be brought down some more notches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Miles was an a-hole, no question. I wanna here the Sonny Berman solo - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Kill the assholes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 It's not "Moon" changes, but not bad for a 21 year old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azyk7_pgceU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Finally got the Flash player to work...yep, that's "Solar". But "Solar" is not based on "How High the Moon Changes". Never has been, and never will be. To perpetrate the lie that it is, now that's some Bixing for ya'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Finally got the Flash player to work...yep, that's "Solar". But "Solar" is not based on "How High the Moon Changes". Never has been, and never will be. To perpetrate the lie that it is, now that's some Bixing for ya'! I thought it was long established that Wayne wrote "Solar," no? Or is this is this actually the first documentary evidence that literally proves it? If so, very cool. "Solar" is a 12-bar form; "How High the Moon" is a 16-bar (+16) form and the changes diverge enough that "Solar" shouldn't be thought of as a contrafact of "HHtM." Yet there is a similarity in the harmony starting in bar three where both move (one bar each) G-7/C7/F/F/F-7/B-flat7/E-flat that definitely leaves the scent of HHtM even though the tunes are in different keys and ultimately begin and end in different places. It would not surprise me if "HHtM," a tune as familiar as the blues or "Rhythm" in that era, entered Wayne's mind when he was creating that part of "Solar." Would love to know if there's any hard evidence of how concsious or unconscious the reference might be. Coda: As Ethan Iverson pointed out on Twitter today, Wayne plays the opening chord as major while Miles played in minor -- actually minor with a major 7th, an exotic sound in 1954. Certainly that's one reason the tune proved alluring to musicians. Also, the truncated form is interesting -- 12 bars but not a blues, though I suppose it kinda winks at the blues in an oblique way, going to IV major in the fifth bar. But it's a quirky, circular form. Coda 2: Why do we pronounce the title "So-lar" rhyming with "bar" rather than "Solar" as in "solar system," rhyming with "her"? Seriously, when the hell did that start? Edited July 3, 2012 by Mark Stryker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 It would not surprise me if "HHtM," a tune as familiar as the blues or "Rhythm" in that era, didn't not enter Wayne's mind when he was creating that part of "Solar." Now that I can go for. But the ongoing lie that "Solar" "is based on" "How High The Moon" instead of it...shall we say, being evocative of it has been around so long that it's taken on the province of a Newtonian Fact. Then again, we seem to like our Newtonian Physics in jazz these days...it's so much easier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I've upgraded my Flash player and the sample still won't play. What's up with that? I don't know. It plays OK for me F thanks for posting this link, the clip sounded great, it would be nice to hear the whole thing, wonder if we ever will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 well, it may very well be "based on it," in the sense that he got the idea from How High, if he did. Some things are just based on the idea of something, not necessarily the substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Speaking of "Solar" ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_Miles_Davis_Gravesite.JPGand this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQOUxYdNeR0 Edited July 3, 2012 by Mark Stryker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Thanks F! Interesting that it wasn't copyrighted until 1963, 9 years after Solar was recorded. And I agree with Mark re the pronunciation of solar. It's stupid. Edited July 3, 2012 by GA Russell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Speaking of "Solar" ... http://en.wikipedia....s_Gravesite.JPG Now that's signifyin' ! :g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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