slide_advantage_redoux Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 (edited) Is anyone knowledgeable about the label "Trip". I came across two Lee Morgan LPs on Trip at a used vinyl store yesterday. I have one of them already (released on Phoenix10). The recording quality on these sides is simply awful. They sound as if someone used a portable recorded held on their lap! The mastering is non-existing, and the balance is ridiculous. On the plus side, the fire and energy of these performances is off the charts, and I wouldn't be without them in my collection. The two I have: "Lee Morgan - Speedball" (Trip TLP 5020) also on Phoenix10 (PHX 316) songs: "Willow Weep for Me" - 20:27 "Peyote" - 13:10 "Speedball" - 6:17 "Lee Morgan - One of a Kind" (Trip 5029) songs: "Meo Felia" - 17:17) "C.P." (actually "Ceora") - 16:20 "Speedball" - 1:53 (From the dialogue on these releases, I concluded that Speedball was used as Lee's break tune during this period) Questions: 1) Can anyone confirm the personnel on these dates? They sound as if they are from the same recording. I always had assumed the tenor player from this period to be Bennie Maupin, but TLP 5029 has Billy Harper listed as the tenor player. There is no listing of personnel for TLP 5020, but the Phoenix release has it as follows: Lee Morgan w/ Bennie Maupin - tenor sax Harold Mabern - piano Jymie Merritt - bass Mickey Roker - drums 2) Was "Meo Felia" ever commercially released? (At least that is the name of the composition as listed on the LP). I have often wondered how many tunes that this group played were never documented due to Lee's death. This was a special band. 3) Were other releases on Trip better quality? Were they all bootleg? Edited January 5, 2004 by slide_advantage_redoux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 They're boots. Some of the material mirrors the Lighthouse set, perhaps Fresh Sound released the same music as well. I asked the same question on the BN Board a souple of years ago.. Not worth the $ imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Those bootlegs have been discussed a number of times. The Freshsounds 2CD set says 'Lee Morgan Quintet at Lighthouse'. However this was recorded at the Both/End club in San Francisco a few days before the legitimate dates at the Hermosa Beach Lighthouse club that BN released. With the same quintet (Maupin, Mabern, Merritt, Roker). Sound on the FreshSounds set is OK. But the real thing is on the BN 3CD set. That one is a hell of an album! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 (edited) I think there were three trip LPs in all. All this material - and perhaps more - is on the Fresh Sound Lighthouse 2-CD set. The sound is so-so but the music cooks. The personnel is Morgan/Maupin/Mabern/Merritt/Roker. The jury is still out as to whether this is material from the Both/And or material from the same Lighthouse gig as the Blue Note set, but earlier in the week. The BN set seemed to imply it was Both/And. I don't know about the tune called 'Meo Felia' on the Trip LPs, but the tune with that title on the Fresh Sound set is actually a Mabern tune called 'The Chief'. This was first recorded by Lee on 9/13/68, but is one of three tunes from that date that are rejected. Mabern also brought it to Frank Strozier's 'What's Goin' On' session. That's how I figured out that 'Meo Felia' was really 'The Chief'. Mabern later confirmed that this was the same tune recorded 9/13/68. Lee Morgan copyrighted quite a few compositions that were never recorded. I have yet to find any evidence of any of them being part of the live repertoire. Neither Mabern nor Maupin remembered any of the titles I ran by them, but that doesn't mean anything - it's been 35 years. Bertrand. Edited January 5, 2004 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) ok i just got the Phoenix10 "out there" version------ right now on willow weep.....THE.SOUND.QUALITY. IS. *********AMAZING************. this sounds like its "in the room" with me. the dynamic range isnt as great as say, an early 80s w. german cd pressing, but omg what it lacks in dr it compeletly makes up for and more in presense. if youve never heard this lp youve never heard lee morgan live!!!!!!!!!!this lp obvously must sound exactly like whatever mastertape (and with Phoneix or Trip, i mean that very loosely) it was made from Edited April 26, 2011 by chewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 this is more exciting to listen to than even some lee morgan blue notes. this lp is ELECTRIC, you all **HAVE** to hear this!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 SQ dips for speedball the shortest last cut. but the 20 min side 1 willow weep and side 2 the extended Peyote cut, sound qual= OMFG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 abt to shell out or a mint copy of the TRIP (slide adv i pm'd u) need conf. that rakin n scrapin is NOT on the trip- saw it listen in one disog. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 I take it this is a different Trip than the Trip Jazz label that licensed the Mercury jazz catalog for vinyl releases in the '70s. http://www.discogs.com/label/Trip%20Jazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeway Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 I have 3 TRIP JAZZ LPs of Lee Morgan: Live Sessions (TLX 5041), One of a Kind (TLP 5029), Two Sides of Lee Morgan (TLX 5003). None have "Rakin and Scrapin." Not sure if that helps. Which one are you interested in buying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 I take it this is a different Trip than the Trip Jazz label that licensed the Mercury jazz catalog for vinyl releases in the '70s. http://www.discogs.com/label/Trip%20Jazz Same Trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 hi leeway: ONE Of A KIND. how is the sound qual on them. i have the phoenix issue which is absolouetly stunning SQ, thought maybe these would since its the same session material, although i do expect the vinyl manufacting to be lesser q. cause its Trip, after all......you have all three? how did u ever find them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeway Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Hi chewy, the sound strikes me as pretty good. I mean, it's not RVG quality, but the instruments come through nice and clean with sufficient volume and clarity. It's a good set, with the band and audience both into it. I found the Trips just from traveling around and checking out record stores. I bought these several years ago, at least, and they seemed rather common at the time (don't know if they still are). I certainly didn't pay much for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 grr, i know i need it....25 bucks tho, grr what kind of back ended deal did trip score w/ mercury....was it that it was the 70s and mercury was more interested in uriah heap and not old 50s jazz so they just said to hell with it and let trp release them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Same Trip all around. Gangsters from New Jersey. After Morris Levy was in trouble someone had to pick up the slack. Easy connections between Jersey mobsters and Chicago fellas running Mercury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 $25 for a Trip LP? Never. They were a lousy company with cheap covers and poor vinyl/pressing quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 $25 for a Trip LP? Never. They were a lousy company with cheap covers and poor vinyl/pressing quality. I agree, a rotten company with very bad product. I had a few Trip LPs back in the 1970s and they were awful, full of air bubbles, scratches and other anomalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeway Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 The vinyl on my copy of "One of a Kind" is really quite good, no noise, pops, etc. Must have got a lucky copy. The jackets are undoubtedly third-rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 interesting chuck, i love it how records were part of the racket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 All right! Just found the missing link back to Mercury for the Trip LP: http://www.audiophileusa.com/item.cfm?record=95645 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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