Wolgang's Vault now for pay only

[GA Russell]

I received an email from Wolfgang's Vault today which says in part...

As we continue to grow, we need to make another change. Concert Vault is now a members-only site. Memberships are available for less than $3.00 per month, and come with a slew of fantastic perks that make signing up a no-brainer; including an annual $24 credit at the Wolfgang's Vault store, streaming concerts at no charge, access to the descriptions of the history and background of the concert recordings, $5 downloads, higher quality streams and much more. Everyone will get a 14-day free trial to explore, so check it out and see for yourself. And if you're already a WVIP, you don't need to do anything -- your membership privileges are still there.

[Pete C]

Well, the $24 credit makes it less painful, even though I've never purchased anything from them before.

Edited August 8, 2012 by Pete C

[tranemonk]

Don't know if I'll renew.. Seems like they've been very slow to add jazz stuff....

[medjuck]

They just added Miles at Newport in 1967.

[romualdo]

They just added Miles at Newport in 1967.

Unfortunately I cannot download it - there is no download function on the page

Have emailed them - wait & see (currently a WVIP member)

Anyone else been able to download this?

[tranemonk]

I just looked at it... and I can't download it either.

They just added Miles at Newport in 1967.

Unfortunately I cannot download it - there is no download function on the page

Have emailed them - wait & see (currently a WVIP member)

Anyone else been able to download this?

[killerjoe]

I just looked at it... and I can't download it either.

They just added Miles at Newport in 1967.

Unfortunately I cannot download it - there is no download function on the page

Have emailed them - wait & see (currently a WVIP member)

Anyone else been able to download this?

I record their streams into FLAC while playing with Ripcorder Audio. Works pretty well for me.

[romualdo]

I just looked at it... and I can't download it either.

They just added Miles at Newport in 1967.

Unfortunately I cannot download it - there is no download function on the page

Have emailed them - wait & see (currently a WVIP member)

Anyone else been able to download this?

I record their streams into FLAC while playing with Ripcorder Audio. Works pretty well for me.

here's the response I got from WV

Hi Stephen,

Right now, this Miles Davis, Newport 1967 concert is only available for streaming. We are doing our best to make as much available as we can, taking into account the need to establish all proper agreements, rights and permissions from artists before doing so.

If you click on the link below, you'll see an download icon on the concerts that are available for purchase:

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/miles-davis/

Thanks,

Evan

[robertoart]

The cheek of Wolfgangs Vault - which is just a glorified bootleg organisation - in claiming a concern for ethics. It just seems like a place where 'someone' has got it together to round up as many circulating grey area recordings as possible and begin to strike some 'deals' to make it all legit. I doubt much of anything would be getting back to the estates once they add up all their time and expenses.

Edited August 9, 2012 by freelancer

[bertrand]

Will I still get $50 worth of downloads when I renew my WVIP membership for $48 in a month?

Thanks,

Bertrand.

[BFrank]

The cheek of Wolfgangs Vault - which is just a glorified bootleg organisation - in claiming a concern for ethics. It just seems like a place where 'someone' has got it together to round up as many circulating grey area recordings as possible and begin to strike some 'deals' to make it all legit. I doubt much of anything would be getting back to the estates once they add up all their time and expenses.

Why don't you read up on the site first.

About Us

[tranemonk]

Agreed. I've always operated with the assumption that they are legit and the artists and their estates are getting their fair share.

The cheek of Wolfgangs Vault - which is just a glorified bootleg organisation - in claiming a concern for ethics. It just seems like a place where 'someone' has got it together to round up as many circulating grey area recordings as possible and begin to strike some 'deals' to make it all legit. I doubt much of anything would be getting back to the estates once they add up all their time and expenses.

Why don't you read up on the site first.

About Us

[david weiss]

Agreed. I've always operated with the assumption that they are legit and the artists and their estates are getting their fair share.

I'm not so sure about this.....

I know of one artist personally that has a few concerts up there that has never been contacted by them.....

[tranemonk]

Uh oh... That's not good...

Agreed. I've always operated with the assumption that they are legit and the artists and their estates are getting their fair share.

I'm not so sure about this.....

I know of one artist personally that has a few concerts up there that has never been contacted by them.....

[medjuck]

Will I still get $50 worth of downloads when I renew my WVIP membership for $48 in a month?

Thanks,

Bertrand.

Don't they say it's "less than $3 a month"?

[Hoppy T. Frog]

Agreed. I've always operated with the assumption that they are legit and the artists and their estates are getting their fair share.

I'm not so sure about this.....

I know of one artist personally that has a few concerts up there that has never been contacted by them.....

I don't know how royalties work. Wouldn't WV go through ASCAP/BMI to pay royalties, rather than pay the artist directly, or is it different for dowloads that are sold, rather than streamed?

[Chuck Nessa]

You are confusing music publishing royalties and artist royalties.

[medjuck]

And do the records companies which had contracts with the artists at the time of the performance have any rights? (As I write this I suspect not or the Monk/Trane club performance wouldn't be on Blue Note.)

[robertoart]

Nah. I still think they're opportunists with deep pockets. I wouldn't lose any sleep over employing 'killerjoe's' method (post#7).

This thread - on another board - has an interesting argument about the Vaults. Admittedly it was 2007ish...probably before a lot of 'fine tuning' went on.

My link

Edited August 11, 2012 by freelancer