Ivo Perelman six new releases on Leo

[David Ayers]

So Leo release volumes one to six of Art of the Improv Trio. 

 

Perelman's Youtube channel has 113 subscribers. His most watched video has 4000 views. Good luck to him but - am I missing something?

[Clunky]

I've got Volume 1 , to test the waters.

[danasgoodstuff]

Enjoyed what i heard of him 20+ years ago, haven't kept up...anyone want to fill me in?

[Steve Reynolds]

No market for free jazz tenor saxophonists?

I haven't kept up too much either but I've got a few real good recordings from the late 90's and early 00's.

 

[jlhoots]

I'm more of a "fan" of some of the accompanying players.

[David Ayers]

Perelman has 47 releases on Leo. Quite a lot. 

[uli]

 

[jcam_44]

I've got 30 albums with Ivo as leader. I personally love his work, but honestly his recent output is impossible to keep up with. And its put me off from buying them. There is just too much music to dedicate this much time and money to him. He does put together some of the most interesting collectives of artists/instruments of any artists. 

[clifford_thornton]

I think this is a pretty good primer and he himself wouldn't force anyone else to try and keep up with all of his releases.

http://cliffordallen.blogspot.com/2013/06/ivo-perelman-indisputable-truth-of.html

[JSngry]

It's Leo Records' money, right? I'd think they'd have a plan, having stayed in business this long.

[clifford_thornton]

They pay for manufacturing and distribution. My understanding is that the artists pay for the recording and sideman fees, from Braxton on down to Heinz Geisser. 

[SMB1968]

His duo w/ Karl Berger on Leo from earlier this year was quite good.

[clifford_thornton]

I agree.

[Chuck Nessa]

10 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

They pay for manufacturing and distribution. My understanding is that the artists pay for the recording and sideman fees, from Braxton on down to Heinz Geisser. 

Not the same from Braxton on down. Braxton provides a number of options for each project he thinks a label might like.

Minions have to deal with this (provided by a friend):

Dear xxxx,
This is what I can do (this is what I usually do):
1. You will supply the master. I shall produce your CD, promote and advertise.
I send out over 200 CDs for promotion to radio stations, magazines, writers, archives, etc.
2. I shall manufacture  1000 CDs. 200 will go for promotion, 50 pcs to distributors for promotion.
I shall ship you 500 CDs - they are your property, do with them whatever you want -
and pay shipping charges.
3. You will pay me £ 1650 (pound sterling).
4. You can register your music with any performing society but I shall be the publisher
of the music with the potential public performance royalties with the split 75% to you and 25% to me.
That means that if your music is played by a big and reputable radio-station you will receive
75% of the royalties. 
5. Within a year you will record and release another CD on the same conditions.

That's practically all. If you are interested ask as many questions as you need.
Best,
Leo

Edited November 1, 2016 by Chuck Nessa

[Clunky]

1 hour ago, SMB1968 said:

His duo w/ Karl Berger on Leo from earlier this year was quite good.

Volume 1 in this current series is with Berger and is pretty impressive. 

[clifford_thornton]

4 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said:

Not the same from Braxton on down. Braxton provides a number of options for each project he thinks a label might like.

Minions have to deal with this (provided by a friend):

Dear xxxx,
This is what I can do (this is what I usually do):
1. You will supply the master. I shall produce your CD, promote and advertise.
I send out over 200 CDs for promotion to radio stations, magazines, writers, archives, etc.
2. I shall manufacture  1000 CDs. 200 will go for promotion, 50 pcs to distributors for promotion.
I shall ship you 500 CDs - they are your property, do with them whatever you want -
and pay shipping charges.
3. You will pay me £ 1650 (pound sterling).
4. You can register your music with any performing society but I shall be the publisher
of the music with the potential public performance royalties with the split 75% to you and 25% to me.
That means that if your music is played by a big and reputable radio-station you will receive
75% of the royalties. 
5. Within a year you will record and release another CD on the same conditions.

That's practically all. If you are interested ask as many questions as you need.
Best,
Leo

Thanks Chuck - AB put it to me a little differently and what I recalled was that he self-financed his music/recordings/ensembles, but I may not have understood it clearly enough.

[David Ayers]

Yet another nail in the coffin of the myth fondly preserved by some that buying recordings supports musicians. 

Also explains certain issues of quality control.

That said, it gets stuff out there.

 

[Clunky]

2 hours ago, David Ayers said:

Yet another nail in the coffin of the myth fondly preserved by some that buying recordings supports musicians. 

Also explains certain issues of quality control.

That said, it gets stuff out there.

 

It's hard to judge the deal offered and indeed probably not fair to pass too much comment as it only details some of the total costs. Nonetheless  it appears pretty transparent and clearly plenty of artists have signed up to Leo over the years. Presumably the catalogue has become so extensive because the financial risks are shared between artist and label. Can't imagine anyone making a boatload from any Leo release.

[jcam_44]

2 hours ago, Clunky said:

It's hard to judge the deal offered and indeed probably not fair to pass too much comment as it only details some of the total costs. Nonetheless  it appears pretty transparent and clearly plenty of artists have signed up to Leo over the years. Presumably the catalogue has become so extensive because the financial risks are shared between artist and label. Can't imagine anyone making a boatload from any Leo release.

I agree. As an artist this seems like a fair proposition, and a reasonable way to keep cost down while still getting a physical product.

[SMB1968]

16 hours ago, Clunky said:

Volume 1 in this current series is with Berger and is pretty impressive. 

Good to know. Thanks.

[mjazzg]

Another fan of the Berger duet. I find I enjoy Perelman more in sessions which aren't standard quartets. I saw him duet with Shipp and it was great live, less so on CD I thought.

As for the Leo contract - I've always thought Leo artwork, almost without exception, looks like it was a skimp job. I also love the idea that a Leo release will get airplay on a "reputable radio station" to the extent it's worth bothering with

[David Ayers]

I had two Perelman CDs and sold them. One on Leo, one on CIMP. I was influenced by the "new Gato Barbieri" hype. Listened since to several on streamimg (not mentioned in the letter above). Can't get too excited though I respect the endeavor of getting it all out there.