Mark Stryker Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Who are the white musicians who recorded as leaders for Blue Note in its pre-1980s revival era? I can think of Art Hodes, Sheila Jordan, Jutta Hipp, Gil Melle, J.R. Monterose. Any others I'm forgetting? Edited February 15, 2018 by Mark Stryker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Tal Farlow. Sal Salvador. Urbie Green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Urbie Green, Sal Salvador & Lou Mecca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 George Wallington. The 3 sessions on "Best of the West" (not sure who the leaders were). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Thanks guys. Appreciate it. If any others come to mind, please chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Lou Mecca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) Seems like Bill Evans and Jim Hall were on the label, or somehow had a few things reissued on Blue Note. Edited February 16, 2018 by Milestones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Milestones said: Seems like Bill Evans and Jim Hall were on the label, or somehow had a few things reissued on Blue Note. That was a CD reissue of a UA album. Kenny Cox in the Liberty era (and don't sleep on those two albums). Barbara Carroll, Robbie Krieger (of the Doors), and Dom Minasi in the bleak 70's UA era. Edited February 16, 2018 by felser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall15 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Wade Legge, Zoot Sims, Frank Sinatra (in Australia with Red Norvo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 None of those originated with Blue Note. The Legge was a Vogue session, I assume the Sims was. The Sinatra is Capitol recordings that got released on CD on the Blue Note label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 So what is the point? That white musicians contributed little to the "Blue Note sound"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 This is the first I've heard of Kenny Cox being white? Not that it matters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 3 hours ago, felser said: That was a CD reissue of a UA album. Kenny Cox in the Liberty era (and don't sleep on those two albums). Barbara Carroll, Robbie Krieger (of the Doors), and Dom Minasi in the bleak 70's UA era. To the best of my recollection, Kenny Cox was African American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Kenny Cox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 45 minutes ago, JSngry said: This is the first I've heard of Kenny Cox being white? Not that it matters? In the same vein: Was Wade Legge white? Those who claim so - please look at his BN cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Isn't the whole thing moot? So many people are bi-racial, or some kind of mix in differing percentages. People achieve different looks. At one time quite a few thought Jarrett was African-American, but after his early period it's clear he's about as white as can be. How different was it in the 1960s, other than perception? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) Gang: Kenn Cox was black. All of the members of the Contemporary Jazz Quintet in Detroit were black, except drummer Danny Spencer. Edited February 16, 2018 by Mark Stryker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Well, I wasn't there but from all I heard about the US of the 1950s and 1960s, it did make a difference for the artists (and for most people actually) whether they were perceived as Black, White, etc. And this suffices to make the question valid. Don't really know about the US today... of course, things have changed, but I still think that most Americans would understand something like this: "If you look at the cover of the first Kenny Cox album you see four black guys and one white guy - Drummer Danny Spencer. From the way Spencer is standing in the picture, it is easy to mistake him for the leader and this probably lead felser to the wrong conclusion of Cox being white." Regarding white people contributing to the Blue Note Sound: no this cannot be the question because there were white sidemen like Pepper Adams who contributed a lot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, Mark Stryker said: Gang: Kenn Cox was black. All of the members of the Contemporary Jazz Quintet in Detroit were black, except drummer Danny Spencer. My bad, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Jazz provides evidence of how willing to stereotype most of are. I'm sure back in the day people would think that Pepper Adams was black because of his gruff, hard-driving sound. Does Jimmy Knepper "sound" white? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Does Rudy Van Gelder sound white!?!?!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgcim Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Gil Melle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Not that it has much to do with the thread topic, but I've always found Kenny Cox' playing and compositions to have a melancholy streak far away from the stereotypical Blue Note sound. Maybe it could even be perceived as sounding "white"? Anyway, I love those two Blue Notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 No offense to the cult of RVG, but he more captured the sound than created it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 I think him and Lion created the sound. The musicians created the music. Remember, these are records we're talking about. At least one degre3e of separation from the music by definition, often more than one. Does Elvin Campbell sound black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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