Dave Holland - Uncharted Territories

[mjazzg]

7 minutes ago, Guy Berger said:

Using late Trane as a jumping off point, he went in a wonderful and creative direction.

Exactly this

[JSngry]

I have a Bley/Parker ECM and was taken aback by he had an almost Ben Webster-ish quality to his tone there.

[mjazzg]

I've heard that tone a lot in live settings

[clifford_thornton]

he wouldn't let me buy him his beer one time. Got kinda mad that I offered, which was weird. Still like him as a player, A+.

[sidewinder]

3 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

he wouldn't let me buy him his beer one time. Got kinda mad that I offered, which was weird.

..... which would make him probably the one and only English -born guy to refuse a bought beer !

I presume this is Evan P. and not Dave H.?

Edited August 12, 2018 by sidewinder

[king ubu]

6 hours ago, mjazzg said:

Exactly this

Used to, right? Nowadays more like 1962/63 (or even earlier) Trane, at least sound-wise ... but sometimes also lines-wise, I think.

[B. Clugston]

On 8/12/2018 at 8:57 AM, JSngry said:

I have a Bley/Parker ECM and was taken aback by he had an almost Ben Webster-ish quality to his tone there.

 

On 8/12/2018 at 9:03 AM, mjazzg said:

I've heard that tone a lot in live settings

Me too. His tenor playing can cover quite an unexpected range and can be full of surprises. Last time I saw him, he did the human bagpipe soprano solo, followed by a Monk tune, and then switched to tenor in a group setting, where his playing was very bluesy at times.

[clifford_thornton]

On 8/12/2018 at 3:41 PM, sidewinder said:

..... which would make him probably the one and only English -born guy to refuse a bought beer !

I presume this is Evan P. and not Dave H.?

yeah, EP. He was also a fan of Brexit though, so, you know...

[Alexander Hawkins]

On 11/08/2018 at 0:52 AM, JSngry said:

I picked up that Lungs reissue when it came out, loved it immediately, it sounded lick radical DJ chopping, only, hey, real time playing. Not just anybody can do that, even today.

Jim - funny you should mention radical DJ chopping. Don't know if you've come across this one? The record is totally amazing...heavy going, in a gripping way!

 

[erwbol]

8 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

yeah, EP. He was also a fan of Brexit though, so, you know...

Then I wish him forbearance at EU border crossings from next March on.  

[paul secor]

From what I've read about the potential upcoming problems for musicians, I would think that he'd know better.

[mjazzg]

It is hard to believe that someone whose career has been largely based on collaboration, much of it with European colleagues, can take that stance but then the choice of my compatriots, if only by a slim margin, baffles and annoys me on a daily basis. 

[paul secor]

I guess there's no telling with people. Everyone has their reasons, as the saying goes.

[Simon Weil]

13 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

yeah, EP. He was also a fan of Brexit though, so, you know...

Musicians... They can know stuff. Other times they can be like the rest of us - lost.

[Olie Brice]

while I don't want to put words in Evan's mouth (and voted remain myself) I think it's worth noting that his stance on Brexit was as a Socialist in opposition to the neo-liberal nature of the EU, not some sort of narrow-minded xenophobia

[ghost of miles]

20 minutes ago, Olie Brice said:

while I don't want to put words in Evan's mouth (and voted remain myself) I think it's worth noting that his stance on Brexit was as a Socialist in opposition to the neo-liberal nature of the EU, not some sort of narrow-minded xenophobia

Right, the "Lexit" camp.  What a cluste*$%# that vote's turned out to be, eh?  Hopefully there'll be a second referendum, though a UK friend of mine thinks it's more likely we'll see a two-year extension of negotiations that results in a very soft final Brexit deal.

[sidewinder]

1 hour ago, ghost of miles said:

though a UK friend of mine thinks it's more likely we'll see a two-year extension of negotiations that results in a very soft final Brexit deal.

Quite likely.

[erwbol]

Didn't EU officials say a two-year extension is only acceptable if an agreement is feasible? No sense in prolonging the current farcical situation otherwise. A soft Brexit respecting the EU's four freedoms is not going to happen under the Tories. Clearly we are accelerating towards a hard no-deal Brexit. And the Article 50 withdrawal notification is not unilaterally revocable, whatever the British may think to the contrary. Time for the remaining member states and the European Parliament to ratify any agreement or accept a revocation of the UK's withdrawal is running out.

Edited August 14, 2018 by erwbol

[JSngry]

3 hours ago, ghost of miles said:

Right, the "Lexit" camp.  What a cluste*$%# that vote's turned out to be, eh? 

Yeah, seems like every time the people try to send a message, they get one sent back to them.

This record has two sides after all.

[7/4]

On 8/10/2018 at 8:01 PM, B. Clugston said:

Dave Holland has released a new album with Evan Parker, Craig Taborn and Ches Smith called Uncharted Territories. While they still play together from time to time, including last March in London, I think it's been a while since they've been on a record together (I'm thinking Kenny Wheeler's Music for Large and Small Ensembles?). The samples I've heard some great.

I'm still diggin the album, lotta music there. 

[jlhoots]

1 hour ago, 7/4 said:

I'm still diggin the album, lotta music there. 

I agree.

[Steve Reynolds]

I’m going to dig deeper into this recording over the next few days. Often expansive recordings such as this are somewhat tough to crack. My experience is that improvised music that is broken up into smaller pieces with different sub-groupings need a strong commitment from the listener. In this case it’s more critical for me as I’m MUCH more willing to commit and love Evan’s long form energy based improvisations with Guy & Lytton or with Edwards & Sanders or with Schlippenbach & Lovens. 

As far as Brexit & politics I stay as far away to that as possible when it comes to music. Ruins the spirit of the whole thing for me.

[erwbol]

29 minutes ago, Steve Reynolds said:

As far as Brexit & politics I stay as far away to that as possible when it comes to music. Ruins the spirit of the whole thing for me.

Agreed. Only Brexit is already having nasty consequences for musicians, such as relocating classical orchestras and the trouble the Womad Festival's musicians are having acquiring visas to enter the UK. The situation will only get worse from next March on.

Edited August 15, 2018 by erwbol

[Д.Д.]

The disc is merely OK (admittedly, I did not get to the end yet). A lot of the music sounds like going through the motions. I also didn't like Ches Smith's playing. He plays too much with too few ideas and with this ugly boomy drums sound (IMHO, of course). Does not fit the sound pallet. And his persistent falling back on steady beat is annoying.

Overall, the combination of personalities is not that good a match, although I would probably be interested in hearing a duo of Parker and Taborn.

Not sure about Mr. Smith, but there is definitely better stuff available from Parker, Holland and Taborn.   

Regarding hard leftists in Western Europe, I really wish they shared my experience of staying in a line for one hour to buy one loaf of bread in Moscow in 1980s. I definitely acknowledge the imperfections of the capitalist system, and they can and should be managed and corrected, but socialism (or communism) is really not the way. I see pampered starry eyed students here in Vienna with barely coherent leftist ideas - this is understandable and sort of cute. But when somebody in his 70s is still there, I have less understanding for this.       

[Simon Weil]

There's an awful lot of thinking going on on this record. I listened to the first CD a week ago and have only now listened to the second. When people say there's a lot to digest, it's the amount of thought, for me. My instinct is it's a valuable record. There's a kind of watery theme, so far as I can see, which plays out in some tone-poem-y kind of playing.