The Lost Tapes: Charles Mingus Live In Detroit

[JSngry]

I love Changes One. Changes Two seems to me like they had one cut left over that couldn't fit onto One to complete the "suite", so they did some other stuff and turned it into Two.

The only official document of Bluiett in the band was the Carnegie Hall jam session. I love the guy, but with Mingus, as a soloist...maybe his talent was better utilized elsewhere.

Walrath had just joined for the Changes sessions, so he got no real solo exposure. The strong cuts on those albums are all about Pullen & Adams, and for my taste, they're splendid.

But no, 50s/60s (even 40s) Mingus is not like 70s Mingus. It couldn't be (although Rahsaan on the Carnegie jam does go there). And Atlantic did a lot of "project" albums with Mingus rather than working bands (Cumbia Jazz Fusion is a good record, but it's still a "project"). But Changes One, that's a sweet record right there, and a working band. Great writing, great playing. No hollering at the band, but they play like they had been hollered at.

[kh1958]

29 minutes ago, JSngry said:

I love Changes One. Changes Two seems to me like they had one cut left over that couldn't fit onto One to complete the "suite", so they did some other stuff and turned it into Two.

The only official document of Bluiett in the band was the Carnegie Hall jam session. I love the guy, but with Mingus, as a soloist...maybe his talent was better utilized elsewhere.

Walrath had just joined for the Changes sessions, so he got no real solo exposure. The strong cuts on those albums are all about Pullen & Adams, and for my taste, they're splendid.

But no, 50s/60s (even 40s) Mingus is not like 70s Mingus. It couldn't be (although Rahsaan on the Carnegie jam does go there). And Atlantic did a lot of "project" albums with Mingus rather than working bands (Cumbia Jazz Fusion is a good record, but it's still a "project"). But Changes One, that's a sweet record right there, and a working band. Great writing, great playing. No hollering at the band, but they play like they had been hollered at.

I  think Changes Two is better.

[bertrand]

On 11/12/2018 at 10:31 AM, Brad said:

Fwiw, I just received this response:

“Lee is going to look at this closely Brad 

needs to refresh his memory as there were many changes made to the final product since the tapes were first located near 2 years ago”

The email was in response to my thought that there would have been space on the last disc to fit the song. 

Do you get the feeling they might repress this (at least the last CD) to add the missing piece, or shall I go ahead and open mine?

[jlhoots]

I'm going to open mine.

[Brad]

36 minutes ago, bertrand said:

Do you get the feeling they might repress this (at least the last CD) to add the missing piece, or shall I go ahead and open mine?

I doubt they would do that, although that’s not based on any facts, just a feeling. If it were me, I’d open it. 

[Dub Modal]

Mark Stryker's write up on this release: 

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/09/666123401/mingus-jazz-in-detroit-catches-a-giant-at-a-moment-full-of-possibility

Couldn't find where it linked earlier and I happen to be streaming this at the moment. 

[Stefan Wood]

Dusty Groove is selling this set at a very affordable price.  I wish I had known that -- I had bought it directly from the company through Bandcamp....

[Guy Berger]

Never got around to responding to this thread but it’s a great set - substantially better than the slightly earlier Ronnie Scott’s recording because the lineup is much stronger.