bebopbob Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 I recently saw someone selling some very unusual Blue Note CDs from Spain on ebay. I missed placing a bid on them but would like to know if following titles are still available from Blue Note in Spain: Hank Mobley - Poppin' Blue Mitchell - Boss Horn How is the sound quality on the Spanish Blue Notes Appreciate any information regarding availability and quality of these CDs. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2Lunch Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 I received a mailing today from Spain from an outfit called Jazzmessengers which features a three page spread on these Blue Note titles. They are listed for 5.95 Euro each. Someone mentioned that this is the same company that used to be planetmusic, so I am more than skeptical. I am intrigued by the fact that next they are listed under Blue Note/Time-Life Records. They can be reached by email at info@jazzmessengers.com. I would also be interested if anyone else can shine more light on this topic. Another item of interest is a 10 CD box "The Complete Columbia Golden Years Recordings of Billie Holiday" This looks like a knock-off of the set that was recently releaed here by Legacy. This is advertised in the same circular under the Nagel Heyer label new releases for 79.95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 (edited) If y'all take a look at the Miscellaneous Music Forum section, and scroll down, there's a thread about the now defunct Planet Music and the jazz messengers group. Apparently, some people got burned by them going out of business so abruptly. I just looked and there's a couple of these on Ebay from a spanish seller named spanichi. Edited May 14, 2003 by Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Larsen Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Aren't the Spanish BN cds the ones where they changes all of the colors on the covers? As I recall, they're pretty hideous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Aren't the Spanish BN cds the ones where they changes all of the colors on the covers? As I recall, they're pretty hideous. In those ebay auction, they're kind of a dark blue, odd looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 I bought several of these a few years back - one of them was Hub Cap if I am not mistaken. Seemed like official product, sound was fine. They were gatefold covers and yeah, the colors were "darkened" somewhat. I viewed it as a nice way to fill in some titles I wanted but missed in the US. Seems like both Poppin' and Boss Horn would be nice scores, particularly at that price. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 I posted a hastily typed list of selected Time Life Blue Note highlights in this thread. They are very blue indeed and reported to be taken from the TOCJ masters. BTW, before we get into blanket dissing of all European labels, Nagel Heyer are a respected and legitimate label. They currently do not list the Holiday on their website and I am not convinced that the attribution to Nagel Heyer in the catalog is correct. So yes, be suspicious of this set... but please don't blame the dedicated promoters of new trad over at Nagel Heyer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 PS I took another look at the Spanish catalog. On the image of the Holiday CD the words 'Definitive Records' can easily be discerned. The catalog number is not a Nagel Heyer number. So we can conclude that NH are spotless and that Definitive are once again in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent, Paris Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 (edited) Another item of interest is a 10 CD box "The Complete Columbia Golden Years Recordings of Billie Holiday" This looks like a knock-off of the set that was recently releaed here by Legacy. You're right... This is the Definitive "version" of the Sony/Columbia Legacy set. Edited May 14, 2003 by Vincent, Paris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Chuck! Chuck! Where's Chuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2Lunch Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 I guess the Holiday set is on the Definitive label but the way that it is placed on the same page under Nagel Heyer is misleading, sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverrat Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 I had a copy of "Poppin" from the Spanish Blue Note series. The CD had a TOCJ 1600 series number on it, and sounded fine, albeit maybe not quite as good as most of the Japanese TOCJ's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Love the cover art on that definitive Holiday set! Who would buy such an obvious sham? Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Received the following email this am. It looks like these guys are affiliated with Fresh Sounds ... Eric Absolute Distribution / Fresh Sound News April - May 2003 Visit our web at http://www.freshsoundrecords.com/newreleases.php Hello, This month, you’ll find on our web, 100 references of the special Spanish BLUE NOTE COLLECTION for only 5.75€ Here are all the new CDs of this month: Reference Label + Artist + Titles The Blue Note Collection CD.001 MILES DAVIS - Blues and ballads CD.002 JOHN COLTRANE - Blue train CD.003 CHET BAKER - Best of Chet Baker sings CD.004 PAT METHENY & JOHN SCOLFIELD - I can see your house from here CD.005 BOBBY MC FERRIN & CHICH COREA - Play CD.006 THELONIOUS MONK - Genius of modem music CD.007 NAT KING COLE & GEORGE SHEARING - Nat King Cole & George CD.008 BILL EVANS & JIM HALL - Undercurrent CD.009 LENNIE TRISTANO & WARNE MARSH - Intuition CD.010 MILES DAVIS - Birth of the cool CD.011 JOE LOVANO - Tenor legacy CD.012 THAD JONES - Detroit NY Junction CD.013 TINA BROOKS - True blue CD.014 BENNY CARTER - Aspects CD.015 LESTER YOUNG - The Complete Aladdin Recording CD.016 COUNT BASIE - The Complete Atomic Basie CD.017 JOAO GILBERTO - The original Bossa Nova Rec. 1 CD.018 ART BLAKEY - Like someone in love CD.019 BUD POWELL - Bud plays bird CD.020 WES MONTGOMERY – Fingerpickin’ CD.021 BENNY GOODMAN - The Benny Goodman story CD.022 SARAH VAUGHAN - The Benny Carter Sessions 1 CD.023 MILT JACKSON & THE THELONIOUS MONK Quintet CD.024 CHARLIE PARKER - At Storyville CD.025 CANNONBALL ADDERLEY - Somethin else CD.026 LOUIS ARMSTRONG & DUKE ELLINGTON - The complete sessions CD.027 FRANK SINATRA - Swingin’s sessions and more CD.028 CHARLES MINGUS - The complete Town Hall Concert CD.029 SONNY ROLLINS - Vol. 2 CD.030 KENNY BURREL - Midnight blue CD.031 SHEILA JORDAN - Portrait of Sheila CD.032 LEE MORGAN - The cooker CD.033 DONALD BYRD - Off to the races CD.034 PAUL CHAMBERS - Whims of chambers CD.035 SONNY CLARK - Sonny’s crib CD.036 JOHNNY COLES - Little Johnny C. CD.037 WAYNE SHORTER - Speak no evil CD.038 ART FARMER - Modern art CD.039 RACHEL FERREL - First instrument CD.040 DIZZY GILLESPIE - Live at the Village vanguard 1 CD.041 BILLIE HOLIDAY- Billie’s blue CD.042 KENNY DORHAM - Afrocuban CD.043 STAN KENTON - Hi - Fi CD.044 JOE HENDERSON - Page one CD.045 FREDDIE HUBBARD - The night of the cookers CD.046 BOBBY HUTCHERSON - San Francisco CD.047 LEO PARKER - Let me tell you bout it CD.048 LARRY YOUNG - Into something CD.049 ANNIE ROSS - Sings a song CD.050 HORACE SILVER - Further explorations CD.051 STANLEY TURRENTINE - Look out CD.052 CURTIS FULLER - Curtis Fuller 3 CD.053 IKE QUEBEC - It might as well be spring CD.054 PETE LA ROCA - Basra CD.055 HORACE PARLAN QUIINTET - Up and down CD.056 JAY JAY JOHNSON - Eminent Jay Jay Johnson Vol.1 CD.057 FREDDIE ROACH - Down to earth CD.058 SAM RIVERS - Fuchsia swing song CD.059 DEXTER GORDON - Go CD.060 GRANT GREEN - Talking about CD.061 LOU DONALDSON - Good gracious CD.062 HANK MOBLEY - Roll call CD.063 HORACE SILVER - The styling CD.064 JACKIE McLEAN - Destination out CD.065 THE INCREDIBLE JIMMY SMITH - Softly as a summer breeze CD.066 DIZZY GILLESPIE - Live at the Village Vanguard 2 CD.067 DEXTER GORON - Our man in Paris CD.068 HANK MOBLEY - Poppin CD.069 JOAO GILBERTO - The original Bossa Nova CD.070 ART BLAKEY - Orgy in rhythm CD.071 LESTER YOUNG - The Complete Aladdin Rec. 2 CD.072 SARAH VAUGHAN - The Benny Carter Sessions 2 CD.073 DUKE ELLINGTON - Money jungle CD.074 HERBIE HANCOCK - Empyrean isles CD.075 CLIFFORD JORDAN - Cliff Jordan CD.076 CHET BAKER - My funny Valentine CD.077 STANLEY JORDAN - Magic touch CD.078 CHARLES MINGUS - Jazz portrait CD.079 McCOY TYNER The real McCoy CD.080 RAY BARRETO - My summertime CD.081 REUBEN WILSON - Love bug CD.082 CHICK COREA - Now he sings, now he sobs CD.083 SONNY RED - Out of the blue CD.084 JOHN SCOFIELD - Groove elation CD.085 CLIFFORD BROWN - Memorial album CD.086 DUKE ELLINGTON - Piano reflections CD.087 JONNY GRIFFIN - Congregation CD.088 MICHAEL PETRUCCIANI Promenade with Duke CD.089 JOHNNY HARTMAN - For Trane CD.090 LONNIE SMITH - Turning point CD.091 LOUIS ARMSTRONG - We have all the time in the world CD.092 ART BLAKEY - Moanin CD.093 FREDDIE HUBBARD - The night of the cookers Vol. 2 CD.094 IKE QUEBEC - Blue and sentimental CD.095 JAY JAY JOHNSON - The eminent Jay Jay Johnson II CD.096 THELONIOUS MONK - Changing of the guard CD.097 HERBIE HANCOCK - My point of view CD.098 RICHARD GROOVE HOLMES - Comin’ on home CD.099 BLUE MITCHELL - Boss horn CD.100 CHICK COREA - Early circle Fresh Sound – ‘50s Jazz Recordings FSR 1601 DEXTER GORDON – Blows Hot and Cool (original Dooto) FSR 1602 BABS GONZALES – Tales of Mahnattan (original Jaro) FSR 1604 FLETCHER HENDERSON ALL STARS – The Big Reunion FSR 1605 CLAUDE WILLIAMSON – The Fabulous C.W. Trio FSR 1607 JACK TEAGARDEN – Accent on Trombone (orig. Urania) FSR 332 CONTE CANDOLI & LEE MORGAN – Double or Nothing FSR 333 TONY SCOTT & BILL EVANS – A Day in NY (2 CD set) Vee Jay – Dauntless VJ-025 BUBBLES – J.W. That is… DC6005 BABS GONZALES – A Sunday Afternoon at Small’s Fresh Sound & New Talent - Today’s Jazz Recordings FSWJ-024 ROCIO FAKS – Gotas de Luar (Bossa Jazz) FSNT-152 MARCUS STRICKLAND – Brotherhood (**** Jazz Magazine Juin 2003) FSNT-153 ROBERT GLASPER TRIO – Mood (Choc Jazz Magazine Juin 2003) FSNT-154 CARME CANELA – Iris (Vocal Jazz) FSNT-155 RICK GERMANSON Quintet FSNT-156 PABLO ABLANEDO – Alegria (2nd album) FSNT-157 UNEXPECTED Trio FSNT-158 QUINTETO URBANO – En Subida (Argentina Jazz) FSNT-159 PHIL GRENADIER – Playful Intentions (with Kurt Rosenwinkel) SA 004 ALEJANDRA MARTIN – Lush Life (Argentina Jazz Vocal) FSR 5037 ANDY MARTIN – It’s Fine… It’s Andy ! 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Daniel A Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 I wonder if the Spanish Blue Notes are really TOCJ remasters. I didn't think 'Boss Horn', for example, had been released on CD aside from the Blue Mitchell Mosaic set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Wow, wonder what's on the second Joao Gilberto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 (edited) Click the album title and you find tracklistings and you can enjoy the blue covers too. Check out my new Avatar, and signature!!! :rsmile: Edited May 15, 2003 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Thanks for calling my attention to the link. Looks as if they may have split the original cd into two volumes. RE: the TOCJ remastering possibility: all I know is that the Leo Parker I have sounds as if it were a TOCJ, and that it is not the same remastering (and doesn't have the alternate) of the early US version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 (edited) vs. Edited May 15, 2003 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 If blue is your favorite color, this is the place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzkrow Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Is this Jazzmessengers-formerly Planet Jazz- owned by the folks that own Blue Moon/Fresh Sound? I could not find the URL for jazzmessengers so I went into the Blue Moon site and found their Spanish Blue note re-issues. The same ones mentioned in this thread were listed there for 5.75 euro. I found "Cliff Jordan" (as opposed to "Cliff Craft") a 1957 session in which Lee Morgan, John Jenkins, and others play on. Was this session only issued as a TOCJ? I've never seen it mentioned as any other title. 5.75 euro was a great price but they wanted 11.75 euro as shipping Sounded a little outrageous to me!!! Is "Cliff Jordan" definetely worth getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Has anyone ordered from Fresh Sound before? There are a couple of titles I'd like to grab if they're reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 I have ordered from these guys before - some of the Fresh Sounds New Talent stuff. They seem to be legit and reliable. I just placed an order for some of "blue hue" BNs plus the 2CD live Wes Mongomery and a couple of others. Snagged 8 CDs in total for a price of 70 euros, inclusive of 17 for shipping (total comes out to ~ $85 bucks). Yeah, the shipping is probably high but the all-in cost works for me. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 I'm almost sure Fresh Sounds are a different operation from Planet/Definitive. I've been impressed by the Fresh Sounds performance when ordering - cheap and quick. The chap who runs Fresh Sounds, Jordi Pujol, certainly gets heaps of praise. Have a look here: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/arti0402_03.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cayetano Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Blue Moon, Fresh Sound, Definitive, Planet Music... it's all the same, owned by the same folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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