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I dusted off my copies of 21st Century Texts (FMP) and The Short Form (eremite) last night. I found these interviews with Malik today, at AAJ and Opprobrium. I don't know if there is much love for Malik-led sessions on this board (I searched and found a smattering of references pro and con). I find him enjoyable but finite, by which I mean I like him but his playing only expresses certain things and the players he appears with are fluent but too frequently border on bombast. Other opinions?

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I really enjoy quite a few of the recordings with him that I have heard, but think you describe some of his shortcomings accurately. That said, I am firmly in the "pro" camp. I've never heard 21st century texts, however.

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I hardly know him outside Taylor's Unit, and there, I often find him to be a bit overpowering. However, generally, I like the few things I know of his.

ubu

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I've only got the Jimmy Lyons Ayler box with Malik on disc 1. Initally i , like Ubu, thought he sounded too overpowering & that he took over the session , but the CD grew on me with more listens , I think i'll give it another spin this evening

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I've only got the Jimmy Lyons Ayler box with Malik on disc 1. Initally i , like Ubu, thought he sounded too overpowering & that he took over the session , but the CD grew on me with more listens , I think i'll give it another spin this evening

On that session I found him quite alright. I'm thinking more of the New World Taylors. Though I need to spin those again soon.

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Malik appears on five Taylor recordings that I know of: the Enja, the two New Worlds, Black Forest (MPS) , and One Too Many... (Hat)

As I remember, the Enja was badly reviewed and the New World's never got much acclaim. That is possibly because people found Mailik hard to take compared to memories of Dixon, and because people were at that time used to the trio/quartet based around Lyons and couldn't quite get the feel of the new voice. The presence of Ware and Edwards on Dark To Themsleves also made this seem like an imperfect offering.

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Malik appears on five Taylor recordings that I know of: the Enja, the two New Worlds, Black Forest (MPS) , and One Too Many... (Hat)

As I remember, the Enja was badly reviewed and the New World's never got much acclaim. That is possibly because people found Mailik hard to take compared to memories of Dixon, and because people were at that time used to the trio/quartet based around Lyons and couldn't quite get the feel of the new voice. The presence of Ware and Edwards on Dark To Themsleves also made this seem like an imperfect offering.

All these Taylors are classics, though! (I haven't heard the MPS, but have and like/love/appreciate all the others to some degree).

I don't think the Enja is second rate compared to the others, drummer Mark Edwards brought in some new stylings after Ronald Shannon Jackson, and the absence of bass (though not an all too rare feat for Taylor groups) makes for another change in sound. The CD restores the full 60+ minutes of that concert, from which the LP was taken.

ubu

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he also appears on the Köln 1978 Cecil Taylor show that has been circulating.

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Malik appears on five Taylor recordings that I know of: the Enja, the two New Worlds, Black Forest (MPS) , and One Too Many... (Hat)

As I remember, the Enja was badly reviewed and the New World's never got much acclaim. That is possibly because people found Mailik hard to take compared to memories of Dixon, and because people were at that time used to the trio/quartet based around Lyons and couldn't quite get the feel of the new voice. The presence of Ware and Edwards on Dark To Themsleves also made this seem like an imperfect offering.

All these Taylors are classics, though! (I haven't heard the MPS, but have and like/love/appreciate all the others to some degree).

I don't think the Enja is second rate compared to the others, drummer Mark Edwards brought in some new stylings after Ronald Shannon Jackson, and the absence of bass (though not an all too rare feat for Taylor groups) makes for another change in sound. The CD restores the full 60+ minutes of that concert, from which the LP was taken.

ubu

I should have said - I like those sessions! I was just recalling that reviewers were iffy about them at the time and they weren't a massive career boost for Malik.

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Malik appears on five Taylor recordings that I know of: the Enja, the two New Worlds, Black Forest (MPS) , and One Too Many... (Hat)

As I remember, the Enja was badly reviewed and the New World's never got much acclaim. That is possibly because people found Mailik hard to take compared to memories of Dixon, and because people were at that time used to the trio/quartet based around Lyons and couldn't quite get the feel of the new voice. The presence of Ware and Edwards on Dark To Themsleves also made this seem like an imperfect offering.

All these Taylors are classics, though! (I haven't heard the MPS, but have and like/love/appreciate all the others to some degree).

I don't think the Enja is second rate compared to the others, drummer Mark Edwards brought in some new stylings after Ronald Shannon Jackson, and the absence of bass (though not an all too rare feat for Taylor groups) makes for another change in sound. The CD restores the full 60+ minutes of that concert, from which the LP was taken.

ubu

I should have said - I like those sessions! I was just recalling that reviewers were iffy about them at the time and they weren't a massive career boost for Malik.

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I know about those reviews.

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Taylor New World discs are great. But what I've heard of Malik on his own account has been unremarkable. Yes, he does eat up a lot of the airtime on disc 1 of the Lyons set..... there's a couple tracks where Lyons barely gets a look-in (due to the loss of parts of the tapes).

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I really enjoyed the Eremite disc with Sabir Mateen, Consequences. I have also heard a couple of recent unissued live recordings of his quartet that includes Mateen that I enjoyed.

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I was too a bit underwhelmed by Malik. Great chops amd stamina, for sure, but not that many interesting ideas, IMO. I remember listening to one of the Lyons' Black Saint CDs recently (forgot the title) and thinking: "well, this Malik guy is not that bad, after all"... only to find out later that it was Enrico Rava playing the trumpet!

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That Jimmy Lyons Black Saint album was 'Give It Up'. Enrico Rava is very much together on that one. As usual.. Which is not always the case for Malik.

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I really enjoyed the Eremite disc with Sabir Mateen, Consequences.

This is the only disc I've heard of his; judging by it, I think he's fantastic, but of course that's pretty limited exposure...

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As I read the posted opinions about my contributions to the world of music, I thought of John Coltrane's response to a Downbeat article in the early 60's. He said basically that critics did not know that reviews affected the ablity of an artist to sustain himself or support a famiily.

Aside from the fact that there are some obvious mistakes in chronology of my work (Marc Edwards played with Cecil before Ronald Shannon Jackson), I would like to point out that Jimmy Lyons was asked by Black Saint to use Enrico for his second date and he would have preferred me for whatever that is worth.

As far as being called a blowhard, .... . I like the fact that your forum exists, and hope that as time goes on music will be a greater force for humankind. A lot of great musicians have died ignoble deaths for lack of an ability to support themselves in society. I woke up today and am trying to live a positive life. That is as good as it gets.

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As I read the posted opinions about my contributions to the world of music, I thought of John Coltrane's response to a Downbeat article in the early 60's. He said basically that critics did not know that reviews affected the ablity of an artist to sustain himself or support a famiily.

Aside from the fact that there are some obvious mistakes in chronology of my work (Marc Edwards played with Cecil before Ronald Shannon Jackson), I would like to point out that Jimmy Lyons was asked by Black Saint to use Enrico for his second date and he would have preferred me for whatever that is worth.

As far as being called a blowhard, .... . I like the fact that your forum exists, and hope that as time goes on music will be a greater force for humankind. A lot of great musicians have died ignoble deaths for lack of an ability to support themselves in society. I woke up today and am trying to live a positive life. That is as good as it gets.

Welcome to this board, Mr. Malik!

You're right of course about Edwards/Jackson, sorry for that! I was posting that when being at work and didn't have my CDs there...

ubu

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As I read the posted opinions about my contributions to the world of music, I thought of John Coltrane's response to a Downbeat article in the early 60's. He said basically that critics did not know that reviews affected the ablity of an artist to sustain himself or support a famiily.

Aside from the fact that there are some obvious mistakes in chronology of my work (Marc Edwards played with Cecil before Ronald Shannon Jackson), I would like to point out that Jimmy Lyons was asked by Black Saint to use Enrico for his second date and he would have preferred me for whatever that is worth.

As far as being called a blowhard, .... . I like the fact that your forum exists, and hope that as time goes on music will be a greater force for humankind. A lot of great musicians have died ignoble deaths for lack of an ability to support themselves in society. I woke up today and am trying to live a positive life. That is as good as it gets.

Your contribution is well taken.

Keep being positive!

And a very hearty welcome to this Board

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Welcome to the board, Raphe!

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Raphe,

If you do a search on the board, primarily in the "Funny Rat" thread in the Recommendations forum, you will find many positive comments on and reviews of your albums as well as some not so positive. Many of us here have greatly enjoyed your discs that we have heard, but we are also not afraid to be critical.

It would be great if you stayed around to discuss your work. I know that many of us would love to hear about upcoming albums / shows and also be able to discuss some of the sessions you have been a part of through the years.

Welcome!

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