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Kenny Burrell

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1 minute ago, Kevin Bresnahan said:

The Go Fund Me account is up to $206,530 and that's after it had $30-50K withdrawn a few days ago. I hope Kenny & his wife can climb out of their financial hole with this money.

Having never seen a Go Fund Me fundraiser succeed so well, I don't know how they "end". Obviously, they've dramatically exceeded their $100,000 goal. Does it stay open until the donations slow down and stop? Don't take this question the wrong way - I'm not complaining. I am very happy that Kenny and his wife are getting the financial help they need. I'm just curious is all.

I was wondering the same. It appears the campaign keeps going until the organizer/creator decides to stop it. It's a fair question to ask, since the goal has been way exceeded, when do you stop? I mean according to Mrs. Burrell's statement it certainly seems as if the money will cover medical, legal and credit debt and there will be money to pay "in the event that occurs" and "possible relocation expenses" situations.

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Katherine Burrell sent out the following update this morning:

Given my caregiving hours, and business matters that require attention, I have regrettably been delayed in responding to each donor/donation. I promise, I will respond to each and every one as time allows! Thank you so much! Blessings to all of you. All our love. ❤️

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In one month, 4,426 people have donated $238,179. :)

Edited by sonnymax

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7 hours ago, sonnymax said:

In one month, 4,426 people have donated $238,179. :)

Add at least another $50,000, because that's what was pulled out of it at one point. I wonder why they haven't pulled out more?

BTW - does anyone know how taxes work on these things? Does Kenny and his wife have to declare this as income?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/a-jazz-legend-said-he-was-in-desperate-need-of-money-his-friends-had-questions/2019/07/10/440e76ec-99b6-11e9-830a-21b9b36b64ad_story.html?utm_term=.75733296cd34

I am not feeling so good about donating to this fund. I am most upset at the Jazz Foundation for not doing their homework before issuing their statement confirming the Burrell's financial situation. Oh well, live & learn.

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1 hour ago, bresna said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/a-jazz-legend-said-he-was-in-desperate-need-of-money-his-friends-had-questions/2019/07/10/440e76ec-99b6-11e9-830a-21b9b36b64ad_story.html?utm_term=.75733296cd34

I am not feeling so good about donating to this fund. I am most upset at the Jazz Foundation for not doing their homework before issuing their statement confirming the Burrell's financial situation. Oh well, live & learn.

Read the Jazztimes link before drawing conclusions.

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3 minutes ago, Dan Gould said:

Read the Jazztimes link before drawing conclusions.

JazzTimes item:  one person's view (and is it KB?) versus investigative reporting.  Having read both the JT and the WaPo items, I'm leaning toward the reporter's story.

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I had a feeling.

In 2017 KB's pay and benefits package from UCLA was in excess of $200K, no reason to believe it was not close to the same in 2018. No doubt the initial gofundme goal of $100K was passed in a rather short time. Why would you continue to take donations? Why didn't UCLA know of his situation?

Kenneth E Burrell
PROF-AY (2017)

Regular pay: $192,408.00
Overtime pay: $0.00
Other pay: $464.00
Total pay: $192,872.00
Benefits: $41,334.00
Total pay & benefits: $234,206.00

 

She is a much younger woman, no?

Nah, this shit was questionable from the beginning. It was the identity theft thing (both of them?) and the changing of the original statement, on top of health issues, on top of mold, on top of looming foreclosure, on top of lawsuits, on top of potential homelessness. Too much going on there. Maybe Kenny didn't or doesn't even now know what is going on, but to me it always seemed off. 

 

 

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Strange and sad, any way you slice it.

 

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30 minutes ago, catesta said:

I had a feeling.

In 2017 KB's pay and benefits package from UCLA was in excess of $200K, no reason to believe it was not close to the same in 2018. No doubt the initial gofundme goal of $100K was passed in a rather short time. Why would you continue to take donations? Why didn't UCLA know of his situation?

Kenneth E Burrell
PROF-AY (2017)

Regular pay: $192,408.00
Overtime pay: $0.00
Other pay: $464.00
Total pay: $192,872.00
Benefits: $41,334.00
Total pay & benefits: $234,206.00

 

She is a much younger woman, no?

Nah, this shit was questionable from the beginning. It was the identity theft thing (both of them?) and the changing of the original statement, on top of health issues, on top of mold, on top of looming foreclosure, on top of lawsuits, on top of potential homelessness. Too much going on there. Maybe Kenny didn't or doesn't even now know what is going on, but to me it always seemed off. 

 

 

Almost a 40 year difference between them...could be love, could be anything.

Could be that's she's milking him [and everyone who sent the money] dry before he goes to that jazz club up above.

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Could be that she's batshit crazy and he''s in over his head with all that.

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18 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

Almost a 40 year difference between them...could be love, could be anything.

Could be that's she's milking him [and everyone who sent the money] dry before he goes to that jazz club up above.

It certainly could be an exit plan.

And what the fuck is going on with all those boxes?

 

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Somebody who's become a germophobe, agoraphobe, hoarder, and just plain batshit crazy, that's what it looks like. And an elderly spouse who no doubt loves her but is ill-equipped to handle the real-world consequences of all that, especially now that there's, like, more than a quarter-million dollars on the table.

The authorities will be called in before this is all over, my money's on that, and then god knows what happens, elderly abuse, criminal insanity, just insanity period, god only knows what. I don't think any of us can attiribute "motive", but the reality appears to be pretty stark at this point.

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"My husband and I have severely compromised immune systems as a result of chronic health conditions," Goodrich wrote. "Mr. Burrell has a chronic brain hematoma that could progress if he develops an upper respiratory infection with a cough." "Dr. Forman," she continued, "has informed us that the hematoma, or residual blood in the brain, can be exacerbated by anger, emotional distress, or stress."

Tara Browner, a UCLA professor of ethnomusicology who has worked with Burrell, raised the same questions online. She says she remembers seeing the couple at a Whole Foods market about 15 years ago, when Burrell was in his early 70s and Goodrich was in her mid-30s. "Kenny was pushing her around while she was in a wheelchair," said Browner. "This is a longtime, ongoing thing."

This month, JazzTimes editor Mac Randall said that Burrell called and told him that he wanted to send the statement.

It sounds as if Goodrich is a nutjob who at some point infected Burrell with her phobias. If it's true that Burrell spoke to JazzTimes then he's complicit in whatever is going on.

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2 hours ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

JazzTimes item:  one person's view (and is it KB?) versus investigative reporting.  Having read both the JT and the WaPo items, I'm leaning toward the reporter's story.

What do you consider investigative journalism here?

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1 hour ago, david weiss said:

What do you consider investigative journalism here?

Well, JazzTimes just reprinted a possibly-dubious press release.  The newspaper reporter went to several sources and asked questions about the situation, got several points of view and presented the information, leading me to conclude that something's fishy here.  Unless that's considered 'fake news' nowadays.

Edited by Ted O'Reilly
corrected typo on a word.

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I think David's point might have been that this was journalism, period.

 

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1 minute ago, JSngry said:

I think David's point might have been that this was journalism, period.

 

Okay, but isn't all proper journalism "investigative", in some way?  Certainly what JazzTimes did isn't journalism, nor is a lot of what I see and read today.  It's just repeating press releases and viewpoint-handouts.

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So far JazzTimes has done nothing but serve as KB's mouthpiece. It will deserve at least as much blame as the Jazz Foundation if and when the shit hits the fan.

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1 hour ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

Okay, but isn't all proper journalism "investigative", in some way?  Certainly what JazzTimes did isn't journalism, nor is a lot of what I see and read today.  It's just repeating press releases and viewpoint-handouts.

I thought they were printing unsubstantiated rumors without doing any investigating at all at first and it was very harmful to the process at the beginning of this campaign, casting doubt as to the  validity of the page and putting doubt into the minds of people who wanted to donate. I had an issue with that. They did recover and print a correction early on and have since published a long letter from Kenny going into all the details of their issues. I found it sad that Kenny had to take the time to go into such personal detail about his issues. That couldn't have been easy for him. I see the same doubts expressed here and are continuing. I find that unfortunate as well....

I know there is a hunger for content and not much budget to investigate things but to print articles where sources are pulled from the comments section on the gofundme page or going further back (and a personal issue for me) comments on this very board that were used as "news." It's troubling to me....

1 hour ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

Well, JazzTimes just reprinted a possibly-dubious press release.  The newspaper reporter went to several sources and asked questions about the situation, got several points of view and presented the information, leading me to conclude that something's fishy here.  Unless that's considered 'fake news' nowadays.

Sorry Ted, missed this one....

Exactly, no investigation though the post I had issue was the one where they expressed concern about the validity of the campaign and their source I believe was the doubt expressed in the comments section of the gofundme page and apparently nothing else. That is not journalism by any means...

Edited by david weiss

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I've been very concerned over this situation and the Post article has just amplified my concerns.  None of this has seemed quite right from the start, especially given what we know about Kenny's status at UCLA.  I send some money to the Go Fund Me, of course, since even beyond his considerable contributions to music Kenny was an old friend of my parents and had been even closer in the old days with a number of our family's friends.  After all, when a friend comes to you for money your first reaction isn't 'what do you need it for?' or 'why do you need it?', but 'how much do you need?'  That doesn't mean you should suspend all critical thinking though.

I must say here that I am extremely disappointed in the Jazz Foundation, which is an organization I have trusted and contributed to going back to the involvement of another old family friend, Nat Hentoff.  If they had put out a more cautious or non-committal statement I might not be so disillusioned, but their statement about the story behind the Go Fund Me made it sound like they had actually confirmed the situation beyond just taking Katherine Burrell's word for it.  The Foundation's confirmation, repeated throughout almost all of the stories about Katherine Burrell's funding plea, was key in so many people suspending their skepticism and giving their money so generously.  This now seems to be a highly unfortunate black mark against an organization that has done so much; one that makes me wonder what else is going on over there now.

Unfortunately, this all sounds a lot like a case of mental illness running unchecked.  All of the germophobic paranoia and the zealously guarded secrecy and isolation lead me to the conclusion that others on this thread are probably correct that something is going very wrong here.  The reports of boxes constantly outside their apartment, and the unconfirmed accusations of "identity fraud", lead me to another troubling thought, that the problem here may be related to disordered and out of control spending. 

I've seen this happen in the lives of the mentally ill and/or elderly relatives of friends. The combination of credit cards, the internet, Amazon etc, and TV shopping like QVC make it all too easy for disordered spending and compulsive acquisition to take over one's life, empty bank accounts, and mire folks in crushing high interest debt.  All of this leaves me, as it seems to leave many of you, deeply concerned about what is going to be done with all of the Go Fund Me money, and even more concerned about the present status and the future of Kenny Burrell.

Edited by Al in NYC

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2 hours ago, Al in NYC said:

....and even more concerned about the present status and the future of Kenny Burrell.

That's key to me, even more than anything about money.

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