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What else is similar/related to the Tristano/Konitz/Marsh Atlantic Mosaic? (1960's or earlier)

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About a month ago I acquired the Mosaic box, courtesy of a very gracious board member (thank you!!).  And I also have the following two releases...

Intuition -- Lennie Tristano and Warne Marsh (1949 & 1956 sessions) -- I picked this one up first, about 4 months ago, and that's what started to get me hooked

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Then last week I picked up Subconscious-Lee -- Lee Konitz (1949-1950).

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So if I want to focus on more material from the 40's, 50's, and 60's -- but I'm not really looking for a whole dozen more CD's... ...so I think 3-4 more CD's would probably do it.

  • Is there anything else really key to add by or with Tristano especially??
  • Konitz too, whose cool playing from the Mosaic box has me TOTALLY transfixed (this is really my first major exposure to his Lee's earlier playing -- though I did hear Lee live in Kansas City in 2006 with Bill Frisell).  I do have Birth of the Cool (of course), and an interesting co-leader day with/by Attila Zoller, Lee Konitz, Albert Mangelsdorff called Zo-Ko-Ma (MPS, 1968) -- and I've heard 3-4 later dates that have Lee with Brad Mehldau, Kenny Wheeler, etc... ...and a couple other random Lee leader-dates from the 90's.
  • I'm especially loving the interplay of Warne when he's paired with another sax player (more than that one Warne Atlantic date where he's the only sax player, which I'm still wrapping my head around).  NOTE: The only other Warne date I own is All Music, which I've had for about 12 years.

BTW, I've meant to try and find a reasonably priced copy of the 3CD expanded version of Lee's Motion (Verve, 1961) literally for YEARS -- but I haven't found one yet.

But I have to admit that it's the prospect of hearing more of these guys in contexts where there's a good bit of collective (multi-voice) improv. -- either two horns, or with piano and/or guitar.

So where do I go next??  What should I prioritize?  Thanks!!

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You'll need this:

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Probably "Lee Konitz meets Jimmy Giuffre" on Verve ....

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Lee & Warne did a couple of tours in the mid-70s that produced spectacular results, but that's outside your time frame, or so you say....)

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Oh yeah, this:

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TV!

 

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This Savoy Anthology (The Jazz Keyboards)Image result for Lennie Tristano keyboards savoyImage result for Lennie Tristano Chicago April 1951Image result for Lennie Tristano Chicago April 1951

The Uptown release, Chicago, April 1951

The Keynote release.

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Marsh paired w/ Gary Foster. It's the tail end of the period your asking for, but it is a classic.

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The Ted Brown / Warne Marsh recordings (FREEWHEELIN' etc.). Also, the Art Pepper / Marsh session for Contemporary. You can get a taste via THE WAY IT WAS, but the complete sessions are out there too, though maybe only ever released in Japan [?].

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2 hours ago, SMB1968 said:

Marsh paired w/ Gary Foster. It's the tail end of the period your asking for, but it is a classic.

Yeah, I've been eyeing that Marsh/Foster date for close to a year.  What I sampled of it (some time ago) from YouTube, sounded really nice!!

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Also, the Lee Konitz / Gerry Mulligan / Chet Baker Pacific Jazz date... maybe I'm just clueless, but I don't see much discussion of this one. A key document, and still very fine listening. 

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31 minutes ago, Joe said:

Also, the Lee Konitz / Gerry Mulligan / Chet Baker Pacific Jazz date... maybe I'm just clueless, but I don't see much discussion of this one. A key document, and still very fine listening. 

Two dates actually, one studio, one live. The studio stuff is more than a little interesting, but the live stuff with Lee sitting in with the working quartet is essential early Konitz, imo.

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and then this beauty of a 12" (various covers over the years, but this is the one I have...the covers on that entire series are gorgeous in all kinds of ways)

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Lee flows...

 

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56 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Two dates actually, one studio, one live. The studio stuff is more than a little interesting, but the live stuff with Lee sitting in with the working quartet is essential early Konitz, imo.

Thanks; I'd forgotten half of it was live. And agree. Some of the best early Konitz out there.

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More material from the same 1957 club date that produced "The Real Lee Konitz" (Atlantic), which is on the Mosaic set. Lee, Don Ferrara (on four of eight tracks) Billy Bauer, Peter Ind, Dick Scott. About 60 minutes of new music, great stuff.

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Lee Konitz Plays - Wikipedia

Lee In Paris (1953) on Vogue - the level of Lee's playing here with a quartet approximates that of the live recording on Pacific Jazz with the Mulligan group.

There's a further release on Vogue that contains all the out-takes.  Incredible!

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10 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

Yeah, I've been eyeing that Marsh/Foster date for close to a year.  What I sampled of it (some time ago) from YouTube, sounded really nice!!

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This is definitely a "must have" ....

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Two good ones which haven’t seen mentioned above are Lee Konitz with Warne Marsh (Atlantic, 1955) and Jazz of Two Cities (Imperial, 1956), which pairs Marsh with Ted Brown. 

Also, ditto on Half Note and meets Mulligan mentioned above. 

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12 hours ago, Larry Kart said:

More material from the same 1957 club date that produced "The Real Lee Konitz" (Atlantic), which is on the Mosaic set. Lee, Don Ferrara (on four of eight tracks) Billy Bauer, Peter Ind, Dick Scott. About 60 minutes of new music, great stuff.

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Yes! Only found out about this a few weeks ago and had to buy it right away. Excellent!

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1 hour ago, Joe said:

I also see there's a grey market collection of the complete Konitz / Mulligan / Baker Haig recordings from 1953, but I know little else about it.

https://www.discogs.com/Lee-Konitz-Chet-Baker-Gerry-Mulligan-Complete-1953-The-Haig-Performances/release/10231100

Lee's only on the first 11 of thise, the rest are just the Mulligan Baker quartet, albeit in top keenly attuned form. Bopsieland, indeed!

 

13 hours ago, Larry Kart said:

More material from the same 1957 club date that produced "The Real Lee Konitz" (Atlantic), which is on the Mosaic set. Lee, Don Ferrara (on four of eight tracks) Billy Bauer, Peter Ind, Dick Scott. About 60 minutes of new music, great stuff.

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On Wave, (at least) two more absolutely essential Warne records:

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4 hours ago, Joe said:

I also see there's a grey market collection of the complete Konitz / Mulligan / Baker Haig recordings from 1953

Yes, that's one I wanted to recommend too, but it's been mentioned before. But the Pacific Jazz version, issued by Capitol I think.

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3 hours ago, JSngry said:

Lee's only on the first 11 of thise, the rest are just the Mulligan Baker quartet, albeit in top keenly attuned form. Bopsieland, indeed!

 

On Wave, (at least) two more absolutely essential Warne records:

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Thanks for the clarification!

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This recent compilation album contains a collection of Lee's early recordings. These are essential recordings, and contain some of the greatest improvisations you will ever hear. These recordings established Konitz as a unique voice in modern jazz. The two early albums he recorded for George Wein"s Storyville label are also essential to following his development.
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On 1/10/2021 at 2:58 PM, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said:

what about early revelation lps like gary foster

definitely in that zone.

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