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I tapped my foot every time I saw Brötzmann play. Just saying, doesn't add anything to the "debate" I admit, beyond the old trope of letting each person enjoy the music they enjoy in the way they do and avoid generalisations.

I'm really hoping for an all-small(ish) market Series I don't know if Seattle or Toronto qualify, though?

Most "avant-garde" music is predictable to one degree or another. That's not at all demanding, it's quite the opposite!

"demanding music"? You mean like avant garde stuff? I consider myself a pretty good listener and I don't like most of it. Fun? No way. I'd much rather listen to music that gets me to tap my feet rather than grind my teeth. If a soloist is just screeching at full volumes a la Brotzmann, I do not like it. Noodling? Maybe? We're picking nits and choosing to stand our ground over the definition of noodling? Really? We already lost one regular visitor (Bertrand) over this thread. Are we shooting for more?

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Me too.

Verve 35MJ 3278/9 (Japan 1983) - Norman Granz' Jazz At The Philharmonic '40, - '50s - rec. 1944 to 1954

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I have a 2 CD set of that.

I like that Genevieve Artadi!

Now that is a bottle that gets my attention... Know the beer well from the small bottles but never saw the big ones, it looks beautiful... (Musically, that Joe Henderson is a bit closer to home though, a long time favorite)

OK I get it, you are just gonna keep flogging that horse because this is a pet peeve and hobby-horse for you. I don't like it because it condemns people for ignorance, which is curable, and it divides people into your categories of reality-based vs bullshit people. This is a defensive, blame-dealing approach which is almost always doomed to failure because people like being condemned even less than being educated.

He "heard" and "listened". What he meant was "this music is incomprehensible to me and that's their fault, not mine". It's always somebody else's fault. Nobody ever says " I don't like this because don't yet, maybe will never, understand it". You find a person who is that reality-based, you have maybe found a friend! Oh yeah, "demanding music" is more often than not a fun listen for me. And I know I'm not alone in that (and it's not just musicians). But a simple "I don't get" is adequate and honest. This "noodling" thing just bullshit. Period.

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And it only took nine innings - and less than five hours! Now take care of the Dodgers, please!

Haha. Well, I can see that the word 'noodling' presses a button for you. I get what you mean but this isn't really the issue here. My friend listened and heard something to him very abstract and hard to get into for him at that point in time. How he described his difficulty and how people who don't listen to jazz interpret what they hear is perhaps a subject for another day and tangential to the argument that this music may not have been reissued for 30 years because it is difficult for the average person to connect to. And I would contend that it is demanding listening even for somebody in awe of it; it is not background music.

Thanks for the reply The playbacksound quality is average considering the age of recording. The music is very good at least for me as westcoast fan Have other LAJI member recordings. The quality is always what is possible for these recordings from the 1950s

Nor I.