Chuck Nessa

We are leaving on vacation early Tuesday morning, so I don't think so.

It was on BN. I was so proud I saved it as a word file. If the demand is high I will post it I hereby demand that you post it. Here it is. I have no clue how the bb software will format it. WHY IS CHUCK NESSA SUCH A JERK? Soulstation1 Member Member # 1047 posted July 14, 2002 08:26 PM please chuck nessa you don't need to respond, you are better than the regular folk. you'd probably edit it anyways.... ss1 [ July 14, 2002: Message edited by: soulstation1 ] -------------------- ????? Posts: 1866 | From: tucson,az | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged J.A.W. Member # 1817 posted July 14, 2002 10:38 PM This is disgusting and totally uncalled for. Hans [ July 15, 2002: Message edited by: J.A.W. ] -------------------- hanskoers@planet.nl Posts: 1474 | From: Groningen, Netherlands | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged slb Member # 2977 posted July 15, 2002 04:49 AM Yeah, what is this all about? Chuck brings a unique perspective to the board, and doubtless his posts are of value to many people. There is no need for this here. -------------------- Posts: 101 | From: Eden Prairie | Registered: Apr 2002 | IP: Logged grey Member # 715 posted July 15, 2002 04:53 AM Originally posted by slb: Yeah, what is this all about? I was wondering also. You have to go to the Discography Forum where it originates. Posts: 811 | From: Ontario/New York | Registered: Mar 2000 | IP: Logged Shrdlu Member # 2700 posted July 15, 2002 05:47 AM I sure don't appreciate seeing thread titles like this, WHOEVER they are aimed at. In this case, I can't recall anything jerky that Chuck has posted, and I'm not going to look. Moderator, moderator? Posts: 756 | From: Podunk Hollar | Registered: Feb 2002 | IP: Logged JuJu Member # 708 posted July 15, 2002 06:07 AM *Sigh* I suppose now we'll have to read about how Mr. Nessa should now be banned. After all those years Mr. Nessa spent helping to get good jazz into people's hands, to be treated like, on a jazz board! is amazing. SS1, please take it off board next time. Posts: 493 | From: Los Angeles, Ca. | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged Chris Albertson Member # 551 posted July 15, 2002 06:08 AM Obviously, the person who calls him/herself "Soulstation1" hasn't a clue. Chuck Nessa has an impressive background in the jazz and recording field, and I am glad that he brings it to this BBS. If there is a jerk here, it is the one who started this thread. Ignore this nonsense and keep posting, Chuck. Posts: 1642 | From: New York, NY | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged Gene Harris Fanatic Member # 1529 posted July 15, 2002 06:29 AM I think Jeff's question was a reasonable one (and very common on this board) but his reaction against Chuck went overboard. Nevertheless, I find Chuck to be an ornery poster fairly often. Anyone else notice the time that someone advised him to "take a chill pill" and Chuck told him he doesn't know him well enough to tell him that?! If Chuck didn't want to make an obnoxious comment, all he had to say was that he is not someone who obsesses over what reissues sound the best, that he is only concerned about the music. Again, Jeff went overboard but I don't think Chuck is blameless. -------------------- Posts: 1256 | From: South Florida, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Fran Member # 1756 posted July 15, 2002 07:20 AM ignore Ignore IGNORE ignore [ July 15, 2002: Message edited by: Fran ] Posts: 310 | From: Glen Ellyn, Illiois | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged ghost of miles Member # 620 posted July 15, 2002 07:36 AM Posted by Kevin in another thread: quote: If you can't let go of your hostility toward Chuck, why don't you take it off line and hash things out through e-mail or PM. The board has been through enough turmoil and I don't think we need two more threads that will cause boardmembers to choose sides or go on and on in debates that are really exercises in futility. Ditto. C'mon, SoulStation, do the right thing & delete this thread. It looks like what it is--a personal attack on somebody who adds a lot to the discussions here, and who doesn't deserve this, whatever the nature of your quibble with him. -------------------- Posts: 718 | From: Bloomington, IN, USA | Registered: Jan 2000 | IP: Logged olé Member # 2859 posted July 15, 2002 07:43 AM I don't know how deeply rooted this anger is, but what about some (mutual) apologies? Soulstation, give this week a new start. Chuck, accept and go in peace. Who dares to take the first step? -------------------- Posts: 163 | From: belgium | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged shrugs Member # 356 posted July 15, 2002 07:44 AM Chuck is a great guy(even if I don't share his feelings for David Murray). Posts: 3621 | From: back east | Registered: Mar 99 | IP: Logged J.A.W. Member # 1817 posted July 15, 2002 07:46 AM quote: Originally posted by olé: I don't know how deeply rooted this anger is, but what about some (mutual) apologies? Soulstation, give this week a new start. Chuck, accept and go in peace. Who dares to take the first step? As for Chuck, see this thread, post #17 if I counted correctly; anyway, I mean Chuck's most recent post. Hans [ July 15, 2002: Message edited by: J.A.W. ] -------------------- hanskoers@planet.nl Posts: 1474 | From: Groningen, Netherlands | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged J.A.W. Member # 1817 posted July 15, 2002 07:49 AM quote: Originally posted by shrugs: Chuck is a great guy(even if I don't share his feelings for David Murray). Shrugs, Couldn't agree more. Hans -------------------- hanskoers@planet.nl Posts: 1474 | From: Groningen, Netherlands | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged weizen Member # 833 posted July 15, 2002 07:53 AM Jeff, I'd only take it down if he'd agree to state publicly that he's an enthusiastic supporter of : 1) Ted Nugent 2) Charleton Heston 3) Dick Cheney 4) Harold Lands Take Aim Posts: 2415 | From: Virginia, USA | Registered: Apr 2000 | IP: Logged olé Member # 2859 posted July 15, 2002 07:59 AM Hans you're right. Chuck shows some dignity here. Buy the way, I notice more and more that 'older' members are criticizing young or new jazz fans with (according to them)absolutely no feeling for this great music. This makes me feel very anxious. I hoped the board could help me develop my knowledge. I state clearly that I'm not interested in every reissue and every lessknown record. I just want the essentials (there's enough of them I guess, counting already 250 discs in my collection) and hope you guys can show me the way. Anyway (maybe this should be the title of a thread?) I hope this site is not for the elite. Ban obnoxious people but show some mercy for 'ignorants'. -------------------- Sometimes I wash my hands before touching a cd. Posts: 163 | From: belgium | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged hardbop Member # 278 posted July 15, 2002 08:13 AM I've gotta line up on the side of SoulStation on this one. Chuck Nessa can be obnoxious. Posts: 4915 | From: New York City | Registered: Jul 99 | IP: Logged PD Member # 1816 posted July 15, 2002 08:26 AM Can't we all???? this thread should have been deleted long ago. Posts: 1529 | From: Woodinville WA 98052 USA | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged Chris Albertson Member # 551 posted July 15, 2002 08:30 AM quote: Originally posted by olé: Ban obnoxious people but show some mercy for 'ignorants'. Sometimes you will see remarkable tolerance for posters who are obnoxious and ignorant (they know who they are). Posts: 1642 | From: New York, NY | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged lil' billy Member # 2578 posted July 15, 2002 08:33 AM This thread has no place on the BNBB. Personal attacks just DO NOT belong. Posts: 217 | From: | Registered: Jan 2002 | IP: Logged shrugs Member # 356 posted July 15, 2002 08:33 AM quote: Originally posted by hardbop: I've gotta line up on the side of SoulStation on this one. Chuck Nessa can be obnoxious. PKB Posts: 3621 | From: back east | Registered: Mar 99 | IP: Logged JSngry Member # 1611 posted July 15, 2002 08:38 AM Jeff, your posts are usually among my favorites, but in this case you are just plain wrong, both by what you say and how you're going about saying it. Everybody gets a little crusty once in a while. EVERYBODY. It's always the sane thing to do to just let it slide, but when it's somebody who the vast majority of the time offers invaluable information, unique insight, true knowledge, and, yes, humor, it's not just sane, it's RIGHT. Look at the totality of what that person brings rather than the thing or two that hacks you off. There ain't NO perfect people in this world. The crust is what brings the pie. Your trip with Columbia House was righteous. This one is not. Posts: 7012 | From: Tx, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged olé Member # 2859 posted July 15, 2002 08:41 AM I never implied Chuck to be obnoxious! Let's call it bad tempered. We all feel that way sometimes, but when I am, I personally don't feel like posting. Obnoxious in my opinion are posters who take pleasure in using rude and disrespectful language. -------------------- Posts: 163 | From: belgium | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged impossible Member # 515 posted July 15, 2002 08:41 AM If Blue Note was to ban every ass-hole on the board, there wouldn't be many of us left... BTW, I don't think Chuck is an ass-hole. In my experience, he has been very helpful and courteous. This is just getting out of hand, all this pointing and tattling and taking sides. I have resisted getting involved in most of the "ban (username), do this, do that" discussions for fear of sounding like a hypocrit as many of the contributors to these threads have, but this is just too much guys. Give it a rest please. Some of us enjoy coming to the board to talk about music with a wide variety of people. One of the most valuable aspects of this board is the diversity. So not everyone was raised by Ann Landers. SFW. All this etiquette is just unnecessary. Cliques… Posts: 1549 | From: Charlotte, NC USA | Registered: Nov 1999 | IP: Logged shrugs Member # 356 posted July 15, 2002 08:43 AM "What happens at sea, stays at sea." If I didn't follow that when serving onboard submarines, I would have never done anything with most of my fellow crewmembers. Because like Jim said, everybody gets crusty. And when you are ready to kill someone one day at sea and the next day you are having a beer with them while watching........, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!!!! Posts: 3621 | From: back east | Registered: Mar 99 | IP: Logged JSngry Member # 1611 posted July 15, 2002 08:51 AM And as a general question, whatever happened to the concept of actually paying attention to what more experienced people have to say, even it might rub us the wrong way? What could be taken as abrasive might actually be a condensed dose of reality, a lesson, even. Myself, if I know that the teacher is good, I'll take my lessons no matter how hard they are. Posts: 7012 | From: Tx, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Joe Christmas Member # 119 posted July 15, 2002 08:55 AM quote: Originally posted by shrugs: "What happens at sea, stays at sea." I still harbor ill feelings for the time you called me "assmuffin" in the Gulf of Alaska. Prick. Posts: 1754 | From: Silverdale, WA | Registered: Jul 99 | IP: Logged olé Member # 2859 posted July 15, 2002 08:56 AM Impossible, I agree. -------------------- Sometimes I wash my hands before touching a cd. Posts: 163 | From: belgium | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged impossible Member # 515 posted July 15, 2002 09:04 AM quote: Originally posted by Joe Christmas: I still harbor ill feelings for the time you called me "assmuffin" in the Gulf of Alaska. Prick. Assmuffin sounds like a term of endearment Al. I think you misunderstood! Shrugs? Posts: 1549 | From: Charlotte, NC USA | Registered: Nov 1999 | IP: Logged hardbop Member # 278 posted July 15, 2002 09:05 AM No one said "ban him from the board". When one (yours truly) starts a thread with a benign discographical question and a response from him is "why don't you think about buying a discography" that is obnoxious. It isn't his chat board. That type of discourse is uncalled for and I'm glad Soulstation started this thread. He also makes snide remarks in an insulting tone toward people here. Mr. Nessa is getting what he deserves. Posts: 4915 | From: New York City | Registered: Jul 99 | IP: Logged Jim R Member # 116 posted July 15, 2002 09:09 AM quote: Originally posted by Gene Harris Fanatic: I think Jeff's question was a reasonable one (and very common on this board) but his reaction against Chuck went overboard. Nevertheless, I find Chuck to be an ornery poster fairly often. Anyone else notice the time that someone advised him to "take a chill pill" and Chuck told him he doesn't know him well enough to tell him that?! If Chuck didn't want to make an obnoxious comment, all he had to say was that he is not someone who obsesses over what reissues sound the best, that he is only concerned about the music. Again, Jeff went overboard but I don't think Chuck is blameless. In a nutshell. Posts: 1916 | From: S.F. Bay Area | Registered: Jun 99 | IP: Logged impossible Member # 515 posted July 15, 2002 09:11 AM quote: Originally posted by hardbop: It isn't his chat board. It's his chat board as much as it is ours! Posts: 1549 | From: Charlotte, NC USA | Registered: Nov 1999 | IP: Logged shrugs Member # 356 posted July 15, 2002 09:20 AM quote: Originally posted by Joe Christmas: I still harbor ill feelings for the time you called me "assmuffin" in the Gulf of Alaska. Prick. I think you are confusing me with the XO. Cabin Boy..... Posts: 3621 | From: back east | Registered: Mar 99 | IP: Logged Chris Albertson Member # 551 posted July 15, 2002 09:43 AM quote: Originally posted by hardbop: He also makes snide remarks in an insulting tone toward people here. Mr. Nessa is getting what he deserves. Hmmmm, sounds ve-e-e-ry familiar. I don't suppose your snide remarks and insulting tones....well, let's just say that people who live in glass houses shouldn't.... In fact, you have made so many obnoxious, idiotic posts here that I can understand why Chuck gave you that little slap in the pixels. Posts: 1642 | From: New York, NY | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged hardbop Member # 278 posted July 15, 2002 09:50 AM quote: Originally posted by Chris Albertson: Hmmmm, sounds ve-e-e-ry familiar. I don't suppose your snide remarks and insulting tones....well, let's just say that people who live in glass houses shouldn't.... In fact, you have made so many obnoxious, idiotic posts here that I can understand why Chuck gave you that little slap in the pixels. Take some of your own advice misanthrope. Posts: 4915 | From: New York City | Registered: Jul 99 | IP: Logged Chris Albertson Member # 551 posted July 15, 2002 10:05 AM quote: Originally posted by hardbop: Take some of your own advice misanthrope. Proving my point--thanks! Posts: 1642 | From: New York, NY | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged Mnytime Member # 1077 posted July 15, 2002 10:53 AM Is there really any point for a thread like this on a Jazz BBS Board? Is there any point to many of the posts on this board these days in general? This is yet another thread that lets us know that the supposed moderator of this board: 1. No Longer Exists 2. Is asleep on the job 3. Doesn't care and is only there to collect a check and hope no one notices he is not doing his job. 4. Has no supervision from anyone at Blue Note, which explains 2 & 3. From Webster's Dictionary: Main Entry: mod·er·a·tor Pronunciation: 'mä-d&-"rA-t&r Function: noun Date: circa 1560 1 : one who arbitrates : MEDIATOR 2 : one who presides over an assembly, meeting, or discussion: as a : the presiding officer of a governing body b : the nonpartisan presiding officer of a town meeting c : the chairman of a discussion group Does anyone think this definition describes the so-called Moderator of this board? As bad as Mark at Verve was a thread like this would not have been allowed on the Verve Board. You know things are getting bad on this board when anything about the Verve Board can be compared in a more favorable light. Can anyone explain why if this board has a moderator this thread has not been deleted long ago? Are we to now understand that threads whose whole purpose is to attack another poster is allowed on the Blue Note Board? [ July 15, 2002: Message edited by: Mnytime ] Posts: 1660 | From: Los Angeles | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged RDK Member # 968 posted July 15, 2002 11:10 AM I always thought that this board _did not_ have a moderator. I thought both Tom and Bo made that clear time and time again, letting us police ourselves so to speak. Tom was here to answer questions, while Bo took care of the technical details of running the software, etc. But as far as I'm aware, there never was/is anyone to read each and every post and edit/delete accordingly. Now whether or not this board _should_ have a full-time moderator is another question... Ray -------------------- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man" - G.B. Shaw Posts: 704 | From: L.A., California | Registered: Jul 2000 | IP: Logged berigan Member # 2931 posted July 15, 2002 11:45 AM quote: Originally posted by RDK: I always thought that this board _did not_ have a moderator. I thought both Tom and Bo made that clear time and time again, letting us police ourselves so to speak. Tom was here to answer questions, while Bo took care of the technical details of running the software, etc. But as far as I'm aware, there never was/is anyone to read each and every post and edit/delete accordingly. Now whether or not this board _should_ have a full-time moderator is another question... Ray I am sure Blue Note makes just tons of money off of this board.........Yes, lets see some of their budget go to babysitting us all, and away from frivolous pursuits like new artists, and reissues....(This is not aimed at anyone in particular-no one get angry at me over this, there are so other , better reasons to get mad at me ) "To beer, the cause of, and solution to all of our problems!" Homer Jay Simpson Posts: 306 | From: georgia | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged Mnytime Member # 1077 posted July 15, 2002 12:21 PM quote: Originally posted by berigan: I am sure Blue Note makes just tons of money off of this board.........Yes, lets see some of their budget go to babysitting us all, and away from frivolous pursuits like new artists, and reissues....(This is not aimed at anyone in particular-no one get angry at me over this, there are so other , better reasons to get mad at me ) Yes, there are better reasons. Posts: 1660 | From: Los Angeles | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Brandon Burke Member # 2742 posted July 15, 2002 01:50 PM C'mon you guys. The fact that our national pastime is crumbling is enough of a bummer all its own. We don't need this mess too. We come here to goof around in our spare time -- Ha! -- help others with their questions and hopefully learn a little ourselves. Let's keep it at that. Posts: 271 | From: Lawrence, KS | Registered: Feb 2002 | IP: Logged PD Member # 1816 posted July 15, 2002 03:53 PM quote: Originally posted by Brandon Burke: [QB]C'mon you guys. The fact that our national pastime is crumbling is enough of a bummer all its own. QB] So don't eat crackers in bed while.... OOH!!! wrong pastime!!!....sorry Posts: 1529 | From: Woodinville WA 98052 USA | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged Rooster Ties Member # 2057 posted July 15, 2002 06:04 PM (The original thread is gone (thankfully), where Chuck Nessa snapped a bit at SS1), but I wanted to go on record as saying that I think this whole episode is pretty damn pitiful. Chuck may be a little terse in a few of his posts (maybe quite a few) -- but then some might consider that a part of his charm. He's got strong opinions (as many of us do), but (IMHO) he's been down enough roads in this 'industry' (much as I hate that term), to pretty much say whatever he likes, however he likes to say it. (And personally, I don't think his original 'snap' at SS1 in the other thread warranted the multiple ugly replies he got in return.) (And heck, I've even seen on a number of occasions where Chuck has gone on record as apologizing if his slightly 'in-your-face' manner got taken the wrong way.) I rarely (if ever) get in the middle of any of the 'character' arguments going on around the BNBB, but I have to say that I think this is all pretty damn sad. Chuck's a big boy, and surely he can take it (and has probably taken much worse over the years) - but I don't think he deserves it, especially in this case. I generally enjoy and respect the opinions of lots of people around these parts, including some people I was surprised to see come down on Mr. Nessa. I'm hoping this all blows over soon, and we can get back to discussing more interesting topics - instead of beating up on each other - which just turns people off, and chases off some subset of the people who are here to share ideas, and learn from each other. Posts: 546 | From: Kansas City, MO, USA | Registered: Aug 2001 | IP: Logged

What's your favorite bop date? What is rhythm? How do jazz musicians count? What is the worst Curtis Fuller date? Does time mean something to you? How do you feel about altered chords? Has your mother related to you and your music interests? How tall are your favorite jazz musicians? Did King Oliver appreciate what Louis did in the late '20s? Oops, I made a big mistake - he would not have asked the last question. Forgive my error. signed, Hard assed mf tired of all this shit

It was on BN. I was so proud I saved it as a word file. If the demand is high I will post it

Shit, I forgot. Where don't the sun shine?

I don't have a clue - if you know send me an email.

Sorry - this thread bugs the crap out of me. Monk gave you more great music than you deserve! WTF do you find it interesting to dig up his health records. He gave you more than you deserve. Let it go and thank your god.

OK, you asked and here comes Chuck the ASSHOLE AND JERK. I tend to ignore threads started by Hardbopjazz 'cause there are about 4 a day (is this your goal?) and most of the questions have been dealt with before.

So........ we have a black director making a film of a novel by a white guy writing about the black experience in america. Why am I dizzy?

só passée Yup, that seems to be me. At least I'm eating the correct food for my class.

I ordered the trout with almonds and cream sauce. I hope it arrives soon.

Thanks Mister Mooster! They were released around the same time and tended to cancel each other out in the "best of the year" polls. I was flattered by the competition.

I have a jewel case edition from BMG France 1994.

Bruyninckx says this was recorded in 1965. He also says no keyboards are audible in Sidewinder.

Couple of corrections to the Goldmine info (big friggin' suprise). The first Impulse! labels were printed in orange and black (like the jackets). What they see as brown is the result of overprinting orange with black ink. Later the purple and green label was also reproduced occasionally as yellow and orange.

I bought this as a new release as a result of the sessions with Evans. After that I bought Soft Samba and stopped spending money.

I just want to say some of you may consider this a conflict of interest BUT every "non paying" label whether a bootleg or fraudulent outfit is not only stealing from the family, BUT they are robbing sales from the labels living up to their obligations. Being as straight as I can be - I sent Gerry Marsh an advance check and some cds after an announcement of my release. I paid Warne for the session and sent royalty checks to Warne in NY as a result of queries from Warne and Gerry. Warne was an unrecognized GIANT, but the audience recognition never reflected. I support anything the family does to protect their rights.

Time for me to search all postings by l p. I think this might be interesting.

The US version was issued on lp and cd. The lp reflected Lion's choices. Thank goodness the cd format permits the whole program.

The 1630 U-Matic tape is an outmoded format for cd mastering. Many modern plants don't have the hardware to use them.

I don't understand the general drift of this conversation - all the praise of Blues In Orbit. I have absolutely nothing against it (I've had it since the lp was issued and played it two weeks ago) but I find the other two far more memorable. Is this reputation generated by it's previous cd incarnation and the fact the others have been generally unavailable?

Outside the occasional arrangement, the only McFarland "leader date" I had affection for is Verve 8518 - Gary McFarland with Bill Evans. I bought them all for a while but eventually felt betrayed. Why the heck doesn't Verve reissue this date!

A funny thing - at least to me. I have never met SC, never wrote him, never called him. BUT over the years he's found it necessary to call me and "explain his views" and sometimes say he's not against this or that. Does he not want me to feel negatively towards him? WTF! I'll never forget his call around 1982 when he called and said something like "I know I been ripping your boys but I was at one of Roscoe's rehearsals (this would probably be the Sound Ensemble) and he had them kicking ass".

The only piano trios I can think of are Albert Ammons/Meade Lux Lewis/Pete Johnson and Willie the Lion/Joe Bushkin/Jess Stacy . Looks like the rest of you are talking about piano and rhythm. B)

See ya in Pentwater.