Chuck Nessa

Nah, that's from the year that I quit smoking.... SHIT! I've lost 57 pounds in the last year and am now taking DRUGS my doctor gave me to stop smoking.

I can tell you about my reactions at the time (and my friends). We thought Wayne was a MOTHER and were disappointed by the first couple of BN records under his name. We felt he'd "lost focus". I'm sure Vee Jay sold a (relative) bunch of this lp 'cause I saw it much more often (in private collections) than other Vee Jay jazz sides.

Jim, it looks like you put on a couple of pounds this past year.

I think you misread the liners. I don't think there are any commercial recordings of Lennie from the '70s. C Minor Complex was issued on the original lp and subsequent reissues except the Rhino cd.

Not a goof - 2 different pieces. Rhino did include C Minor Complex in a piano anthology issued at the time.

I just received a new transfer yesterday. I have to live with it a few days to decide if I approve. No date yet.

Depends on the price. If you can buy the first 2 BN discs and the first 2 Verves you have the real "meat". If you need more, the complete stuff is dandy, with the warning that Bud's recordings from '53 until death is a hit or miss deal. More misses than hits, but this is the "real deal". I love it all.

This is such a load of crap, Nessa. Why put "jazz fans" in quotes if you aren't challenging the self-identification of these so-called "fans"? If you meant no offense, why do you challenge the bona fides of these JAZZ FANS? Why does their very existence on the these boards give you such a "huge bummer"?? They don't measure up to YOUR STANDARDS of what constitutes a "jazz fan" and so to you, they aren't really jazz fans at all. Well fuck you very much. Yes Dan. How could I have been so wrong? etc.

Good to know you can insult yourself. Saves some of us time! I guess you are smarter than I thought.

Some of us have to "imagine" power from somewhere.

I just notice there are more messages in the "Rush" thread. Maybe I should shoot myself. I'll ignore messages from Dan. B)

Think so? Don't have to wait. What kind of dweep needs to post his cd collection to the world? Hope I did not disappiont you chubby. Kinda like saying "I got a big one".

Poll looks like a big insult to people discovering jazz before 1993. I beat that by almost 40 years. Way to go. Geez - might there be sumpin' you don't know? Probably not.

Big bunch of esp's, Delmarks and nessa's (also all the European Bygs, Pathes, etc.) recorded during this span. Bummer no member noticed.

Originally meant no disrespect to any. Go back and read my first post to this thread - I asked some questions and mentioned some "failings to understand". Dan took these as an attack and I reacted harshly to that, based on previous experience. Dan had "interpreted" my stuff and added lots on "new meaning" to my message. I admit I'm still mystified! For those of you sending messages about "my leaving the group" - I was trying to say "so long" to Dan, not the group but it is difficult resisting a "slam dunk"!

I have a huge "soft spot" for Ike. A favorite recording is Deep In A Dream on Sonny Clark's Leapin' and Lopin. Very interesting to compare this with Mobley's (and Clark's) performances 4 years earlier on Hank's Curtain Call date.

I think the Ballad date is the cream of the Criss Cross Marsh stuff. I think Jim was saying that. I stopped my survey of Marsh recordings (earlier in this thread) because as we got out of the '50s we reached an area where I was in the position of dealing with sessions and producers "in competition" with me and I could understand others reacting by dismissing my complaints or ignoring worthy sessions I had something to complain about. "Star Highs" is a problematic date for me. Warne plays well as does Hank, but the producer in me has a problem with balances and aspects of Mraz's and Mel Lewis's sound. I would have done it differently. I don't think Warne hits the highs he could, but he makes no mistakes and ALL of his recordings are worth serious study. I do know he was happy with this date. He told me a number of his "best fans" were delighted he made a record with "another master" - Hank Jones. Please don't ignore the Chet Baker CC date called Blues For A Reason. Chet, Warne, Hod O'Brien, Cecil McBee and Eddie Gladden. See why I stopped my survey? I want you to buy them ALL!

Chris, remember I drug in Bach and stuff - the time frame stretches and recent times seem less significant.

Lots of good advice - I just want to reinforce recommendations for Coltrane (Impulse) and Interstellar Space. These come from near the beginning and end of the Impulse years. On Prestige I would add Settin' the Pace to your list.

I came to jazz as an early rock fan - Little Richard, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, etc. My dad gave me an Ellington record and asked to hear it (from my room) once a week. I liked it and went to the nearest music store to find more. That store was Eshbach's in Ames, Iowa. Ellington was in the "jazz" section which contained maybe 60 sides. I started buying them. Within 6 months I bought Miles, Armstrong Hot 5s, Rollins, the Elgart Bros, Johnny Dodds, Four Freshmen, Basie, Monk, Lunceford, and lots of Duke. All this music was the SAME to me. Recorded in 1924 or yesterday did not make a difference - this stuff interested me and I needed more. When I went to college I took a music appreciation class led by a wonderful man named Eldon Obrecht. He taught us about Bach, Beethoven, Bartok, Schoenberg, Webern, Carter, etc. He also brought in Gunther Schuller in as a guest lecturer. I worked up the nerve to ask Mr Obrecht if I could have some time to play some records for him. For some reason he agreed and I played a bunch of jazz stuff for him. When I was finished he told me about his "leaves" during WWII when he went to 52nd St to hear Tatum and Hawkins. Bob Koester, Delmark/Jazz Record Mart, introduced me to blues. I had personal experiences with Sleepy John Estes, Bukka White, Big Joe, Roosevelt Sykes, Little Brother, Otis Rush, Muddy, Otis Spann, Wolf, JB Hutto, Junior Wells, Buddy Guy, etc. After all this experience, I know there is more great music out there than I can ever absorb and as a result I refuse to knuckle under to the second rate. I continue searching for more, new, beautiful sounds and pray that I might add to this list, rather than diminish it. Chris says there was "less to catch up with" when he started but I disagree. Much more (beautiful, important and pleasurable music) in the past exists for all of us and the current time (and the future) is a small step to take. Music is an endless adventure. Thank God for that.

please come back regularly. I will miss the damn cat and your messages.

From my perspective, this was the best of Jackie's working bands (not many of those). I am not a big Moncur fan and admire some of these dates in spite of GM III. Not a JJ fan either - so shoot me.

Hey, Dan. If that's the way you feel, that's fine. I have been restraining myself for a couple of weeks now. I think you are one stupid fuck and you delight in demonstrating it at every opportunity. Good bye.

Dan, I share your enthusiasms. I'm just bummed my discussions with you are restrained by your small area of concern. It is a big world out there.

I don't know if the BN mastering is different from the Mosaic. Just get the damn disc. I've had both and never had any complaints. I was thankful.