Chuck Nessa

Nice to see mention of Donald Clarke's work. Donald has been a great friend since 1970 and I urge the reading of ALL his books.

Yup, I'm sure Jim nailed it.

Yes, welcome. Happy to see you here. I hope you choose to enter the discussions.

I ran a search in Bruyninckx (complete thru S only) and found dates with Georgie Auld in the mid forties and a live date with Big Chief Russell Moore in 1980.

Ray Stokes Trio : Ray Stokes (p) Wilson Myers (b,vcl) Buddy Christian (d) New York, January 3, 1945 BW59 Stokin' the boogie Black & White 11 BW60 Blues for Clarence Profit 12 BW61 Preachin' blues (wm vcl) 11 BW62 The little goose 12 From Bruyninckx.

In 35+ years I have not seen John in a tie - maybe he puts one on for a job interview.

BIG DEAL FOR SOME AMERICANS. Forgive me, but I read none of the earlier posts. I just want to say that Brando and Elvis were "hugely" responsible for a bunch of us.

So........where's Terry Martin?

Right...............

John is one of my closest friends - since 1966. I hope he decides to post. Mr. Weiler, the floor is yours.

Duh! Do you think I don't know anything? Please tell me your experiences.

The acetate is destroyed in the plating process. You have to go back to the tape and make a new one. In the old days this was called remastering.

Yes, used interchangably and carelessly. In the case of most classic sessions before the mid '60s the tapes are either mono or 2 track stereo masters. In the case of stereo, panning and eq is all you can do. In this case, "remastered" means simply transferring the analog information to the "digital domain" using the panning and eq mentioned above. Some labels return to multitracks and remix stuff for the later sessions. Sometimes this is a good idea, sometimes not. Producer has to make the call.

OK, here goes. One record has many MASTERS. B) A master TAPE is prepared for production. The tape is used to cut an "ACETATE" master. The "acetate" is sent to be electroplated. When you peel the plating off the acetate, you have a negative called the MASTER or father. This master is electroplated to produce a positive called the mother. The metal master is filed away and the mother is plated to produce stampers. A mother can usually be plated a number of times for more stampers without any measurable degradation. When a mother shows wear, it is discarded and the master/father is retrieved to make another mother, etc, etc. The initial pressing for a jazz record might be in the 1000-2500 range depending on advance orders from the wholesale customers. Depending on the busyness/capacity of the plant, they may make many stampers the first day to press the order on multiple presses. I pressed most of my records at a plant called Wakefield Mfg in Phoenix. I pressed there because I considered them the best "day in, day out" plant in the US. I happened to visit the plant while they were making the initial run of one of my projects and they had 9 presses running on my job. If you have more questions, please ask.

Rudy told me Alfred would supervise the mastering (disc cutting). He said he was the only producer to do this. He said he stopped coming near the end because he didn't have the time. I don't understand what you mean when you say "recreation of a master tape".

Test pressings are rarely as good as production samples. Test pressings almost always have anomolies - that's why they would send the label 5 to 10 copies. You would check them against each other to see if the flaws occur in the same place.

My remarks had nothing to do with Rudy. I’m continually bothered by incomplete and/or inaccurate information fostered by “audiophile/collector” fans. This is usually the result of a lack of understanding of the processes record labels used. As a result, people begin “hearing” nonexistent differences To me this thread implies every time BN moved and printed labels with the new address, Rudy remastered all dates before they were pressed again, giving all records with the “new” label a new set of metal parts. No record label would incur this needless expense. A NY, USA pressing of an earlier title could be pressed from the same mothers/masters as a Lexington Ave, 63rd, or “whatever” if they were still in good condition. You need to examine the etching in the groove runoff to see if it has been remastered. The label address tells you nothing for sure. Records would be remastered when the mother can produce no further stampers AND the master can produce no further mothers. For some some slow selling titles one well cared for master could produce “originals” for over 10 years. Variables can be many, such as the age of the plating bath when stampers are made, the consistency of the vinyl resins, etc. The variations are almost endless.

'Tis available on Neatwork 2038 "Count Basie Vol 1".

I'm waiting.............. Wolfie, tell us your perspective beyond your prejudices. Tell us the facts you know, especially about "sound differences (probably resulting from engineering and mastering changes) people had noticed between 47 W 63rd's, NY USA and Liberties."

Please ----someone explain the differences (every step along the way) between Lexington Ave pressings and Liberty pressings, deep groove and non deep groove, etc. What is an original, what is a repressing, what is a reissue? Please explain all the reasons for your answers.

What chuckyd4 said. Certainly I have a "vested interest" but it's all "emotional", not financial. Where is the Morris thread (bunch to choose from), the Charles Tyler thread, the Charles Brackeen thread, the Ted Brown thread, the Don Bennett thread, the Hank Crawford thread, the etc? BUT we have a very active thread about the changes in the printing of the RVG series! Anyone wanting to know the "probable" reason for the label change, email me. Reality check, people:

Hold a mirror up to that thought.

I have 3 compilations I have ALWAYS started with for about 5 years - Armstrong 5s/7s, Red Allen '29-33, Hawk & Red with Henderson. I fill the box after that according to my whim.

What we really need is a "24 bit" condensed package of ALL the 5 Spot material. I would buy that "in a heartbeat". Same story with the Prestige Dolphy in Europe stuff, the McLean/Waldron sessions, etc.

small correction - IAI.