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I wonder when this was recorded. Bertrand.

Happy birthday! Bertrand.

Now that record stores are dead, I plan to patronize thier online store a lot. Their prices are good as is their service. Not quite sure why some items are not available at their store but only at Amazon. I sure wish they'd open a brick and mortar store in the D.C. area. Bertrand.

What was wrong about what I wrote? There was some coverage about the Austin thing, of course, but it was dwarfed by the Tiger crap. We still don't know who was the other victim in the crash, other than the a-hole who flew the plane. Bertrand.

I placed this order around 8 AM today, and it already shipped. Must be a record! Newbury rocks, as previously stated. Bertrand.

Who gives a fuck when there were people killed or injured by a domestic terrorist yesterday? The media need to get their priorities straight. Bertrand.

Is there more than one Riverside? Fantasy only re-issued one, and of course Concord nada. Bertrand.

Ordered - thanks for the tip. I've gotten 2 OOP OJC's from Newbury before. They rock. Bertrand.

I bought the entire Blue Note catalog from EMI last night for $1 while no one was looking. We will be issuing the unissued Shorter, Dorham and McLean sessions next month. All booklets will be throughly proof-read. Bertrand.

'Now don't ask me where that two-second difference comes from'. It's the pause track. Bertrand.

Yes, the Jazz Door incorrectly says Montreux. High-quality 'production' work there. Brownie, Is the Jazz Door the same concert as the official Sony (which I'd forgotten about) or the 'other night'? As for the INA video, Sony should have tried to release this years ago, although I know INA is a tough nut to crack. They also filmed Hutcherson/Land. Maybe Reelin' In The Years might be able to work something out now that INA is starting to loosen up? I still have a few years left to live. Bertrand.

1) The Miles is from Juan-Les-Pins, not Montreux (which is in Switzerland). Didn't know Chick recorded this; I assumed it was from French radio. We are assuming the recording is the CD in question (alocis did say 'French Riviera'). Sony was to supposed to put out a legitimate 2-CD set with the concerts from both nights a few years ago, but they are too fucked-up in their heads to realize that putting this out is a no-brainer. 2) Supposedly there is a 1-hour tape out there of Jimi and Larry, but it sounds horrible (or so I was told - I have tried to stay away to avoid being frustrated). The Jam was released on an LP called Nine To The Universe (legit or not?); didn't know about the CD. 'It's Too Bad' was in a Hendrix box, but wasn't it determined later that the organist was not Larry Young but some guy named Duane Hitchings? According to the link below, Hitchings co-wrote 'Do You Think I'm Sexy' with that ass-wipe Rod Stewart, which is a fucking joke considering that tune was an obvious rip-off of a Jorge Ben tune (there was a lawsuit but Jorge Ben inexplicably lost). http://www.jimihendrix.com/news/news,revelation.html Bertrand. P.S. I hate to be pedantic, but it's 'Montreux'. I hope I didn't offend any Rod Stewart fans out there any more than he offends me every time he opens his mouth.

Where would I find such a deal? Got Birdland '51 today for $8 at Borders'. Killer music. The first and third dates are perfectly acceptable sonically. There are some issues with the second date - there's a couple of long stretches of really annoying tape hiss, I'm not sure what it is exactly. Bertrand.

Great, now i have to buy TWO CDs, including a twofer Bertrand.

This is one of the few Miles CDs I do not have yet. It seems there are two versions out there: 1) A single CD set with the original LP + 4 bonus tracks 2) A 2-CD set with a second live CD, containing one track from Miles' Newport comeback plus other live tracks. Is the live CD worth it? I seem to remember there were audio-fidelity issues with the live stuff which made me want to stay away - same reason I avoided the '51 Birdland set on Blue Note. Thanks, Bertrand.

Thanks so much for this. So it now appears the lost quintet was still in existence as late as 1/17/70, and Airto had most likely joined permanently by the Ann Arbor gig (2/21/70). Tangentially, this is a rare occurrence of Wayne Shorter and Keith Jarrett playing together. Are there any other documented meetings? Perhaps I am forgetting the obvious. Bertrand.

Yes, there are Washington post reviews for both these shows that Mike found that confirm the dates. The second one is 1/12-17/70. Now I hope you can answer a key question: were both of these gigs the lost quintet, or was Airto on board for the one in 1970? The post review does not mention Airto in 1970 and does make a point of lisiting all the others and specifically commenting on the performance of each. I would lean towards thinking Airto was not there unless you remember otherwise. Edit: somehow missed the second half of your post. If you say usual group + Jarrett = sextet, that must mean no Airto. Did they specifically announce that Jarrett was there for that night only? The post review published on Wednesday 1/14/70 is of the opening night (Monday) as far as I can tell; Jarrett is not mentioned. Going out on a limb: do you happen to remember which of the 6 nights you were there (Monday-Saturday)? Bertrand.

Jack's first gigs could well be at Duffy's if these took place in the first weeks of March. There would still have been time for Jack to fly back to the U.S. after a 2/26 gig in Paris. So the lost quintet's first gig was probably at Duffy's in early March 1969. As for the last gigs, I had previously missed this: 'While larger groups were recording new compositions in the studio, the Davis Quintet (and, after the addition of Airto Moreira in mid-December, the Sextet) was booked at several venues on the east coast: Colonial Tavern, Toronto (December 2-9: Sonny Greenwich is alleged to have joined the Quintet on at least one of these nights!); Village Gate, New York (December 12-13, 19-20, January 2-3, 6-10); Cellar Door, Washington (January 12-17); Spectrum, Philadelphia (January 18).' Mid-December seems to imply that Airto joined the band either for the first or second December gig at the Village Gate. So the band ended in early December 1969. So this band probably lasted about 9 months, from early March to early December 1969. There is no evidence that they played any gigs at all in either 1968 or 1970. Bertrand. P.S. But did Airto really join as early as mid-December? If not, the above falls apart.

Exactly what I thought when I first saw it. I tried to get more details from Wayne through Michelle Mercer when I put together the appendix to the paperback edition of the Wayne bio, but nothing came out of this. Bertrand.

Damn - I wrote two long posts with all the details after talking to Mike Fitzgerald, and I accidentally lost them both. In a nutshell (it's very late): 1) Tony was at the Club Baron gig up until 2/16/69; this was his last gig with Miles. I got this from an interview with McLaughlin in Jazz Times (11/08). There is also a gig at the Plugged Nickel in late December 1968 (Chicago Defender). 2) Jack was in Europe with Stan Getz in early '69, definitely on 2/26/69 (clip at ina.fr). 3) The Cellar Door gig was 3/10-15/69 with the lost quintet (Washington Post 3/13/69). Rochester was probably after. So 3/10/69 was most likely the lost quintet's very first gig. What was their last? Losin shows a gig in Rotterdam on 11/9/69, and we know that Wayne left on 3/7/70 (and Moreira was on board by 2/21). Was there anything in between? In any case, this group existed less than a year. More details to follow. Somewhat related to this, I have yet to figure out how the piece entitled 'Universe' by Wayne Shorter fits into all this. The copyright date is 8/22/69 (i.e. around the time of Bitches' Brew and during the lost quintet's brief existence) and the instrumentation is as follows: C Flute, Alto Flute, English Horn, two French Horns, two Bassoons, Tuba, Trumpet (Miles), Saxophone ('me'), Electric Piano, Marimba, Tympani, Hawaiian Guitar, Mandolin, Guitar, Fender Bass, Drums and Harp. The trumpet part on the copyright deposit says 'Miles', but to my knowledge this has never been recorded. Bertrand.

So if Tony's last live show was 12/68, and Jack was unavailable until late February, who played drums at the Club Baron gig? Joe Chambers? Jack temporarily on leave from Lloyd? Denardo Coleman? Losin has Miles in Central Park on 7/7/69, but curiously does not mention whether or not Allen Lowe was in the audience. Either Chris Sheridan's Monk bio-disco of Robin Kelley's book can tell us if Monk was in Central Park on this date. I have the latter but not the former. Bertrand.

I queried Pete Losin's site using Jack DeJohnette as a search term, since his presence in the group (in my opinion) defines the lost quintet (Davis/Shorter/Corea/Holland met in the studio, but with Tony Williams on drums). The first session on this web site with these five musicians is from 11/27/68 - it's a studio session with additional musicians, so does not count. Next is a recording from Rochester from the week of 3/11-17/69 with the lost quintet lineup. In this entry, Losin states the following: 'The Quintet resumed its busy schedule of live dates in the spring: Club Baron, New York (January 25-February 16); Cellar Door, Washington (March 5-10); Duffy's Backstage, Rochester (March 11-17); Village Gate, New York (April 25-26, May 23-24, and July 29-August 10); Plugged Nickel Club, Chicago (June 4-14); Blue Coronet Club, Brooklyn (June 21-29); Morgan State Jazz Festival, Baltimore (June 22); Newport Festival (July 4); Central Park, New York (July 7); Juan-les-Pins Festival, Antibes (July 25-26); Rutgers University Stadium, New Brunswick (July 27); Sheraton Park Hotel, French Lick (French Lick Jazz Festival) (July 31); The Spectrum, Philadelphia (August 15); Grant Park Theater, Chicago (August 22); Crosley Field, Cincinnati (Ohio Jazz Festival) (August 23).' Now I am not totally convinced Jack was in the band yet for the Club Baron gig, since between this gig and the Cellar door gig we have Tony in the studio for In A Silent Way (2/18/69) and Joe Chambers for a studio session that was not released at the time (2/20/69). Some accounts have Tony getting angry at Miles during the recording sessions for IASW and quitting the gig on the spot; this may mean Tony was still in the band until that day (although Jack was the drummer on 11/27/68). So was Joe Chambers a possible replacement for Tony who didn't pan out, or just a fill in for DeJohnette until he could join for good? If we could find some newspaper accounts for the Club Baron and Cellar Door gigs, this might tell us who was on drums. All the live sessions from the rest of 1969 are the lost quintet. But the first live session from 1970 is in Michigan (2/21/70) with McLaughlin and Moreira added. McLaughlin is not on the 3/6-7/70 Fillmore gig which is Wayne's last (he does one last tune in the studio on 3/17/70 but not with the quintet), but Airto is at the Fillmore, so we can assume that by 2/21/70, the lost quintet no longer exists as such. So the lost quintet started existing in that from in early 1969 (March or perhaps a bit earlier) and at least until 11/9/69 (concert in Rotterdam) - exactly what Guy said. By 2/21/70, some musicians are added. So it is conceivable that there were a few lost quintet gigs in early 1970, but I very much doubt there were any in 1968. Another source would be Jan Lohman's book, which I do not own but can check next time I go to the Library of Congress. Bertrand. P.S. I have read that Tony left the band on 2/18/69 furious at Miles because he thought Miles was trying to co-opt Lifetime (McLaughlin was on the record and Larry Young was in the studio) and never played with Miles again. But Losin lists Tony and Miles as playing together in September 1985 on the Sun City benefit record, although he says Miles is overdubbed. I believe Miles' brief appearance on the tune 'Sun City' is an overdub, but my recollection is that he plays quite a bit on the other track, 'The Struggle Continues', so that may not be an overdub. I have a tape of this somewhere.

I was always under the impression that the 'lost quintet' referred to the Shorter/Corea/Holland/DeJohnette line-up which never made a studio recording ('Sanctuary' from Bitches' Brew has this line-up plus a percussionist). Live recordings and bootleg videos abound, so it's not completely 'lost', but we definitely do not have any examples of them working on new material in the studio. Miles was definitely going into the studio in those days, but he would always expand the personnel on these studio recordings. I will check later on Pete Losin's site to see if there are any other recordings of this basic quintet plus others (apart from the afore-mentioned 'Sanctuary'). Bertrand. P.S. Most of Bitches' Brew is an expanded version of the 'lost' quintet.

Thanks. I know that I had posted this question elsewhere, but found it since by talking to other people that I need both region-free and PAL/NTSC compatible. So is 'region-free/multistandard' the technical term for this dream machine I am looking for? The guy at Myer Emco told me about Oppo - bummer I missed out on it. Has anyone used the vendor recommended by Dave? Thanks, Bertrand.

How do you call Newbury? I never saw a phone number. Bertrand.