mikeweil

Impossible to vote. If it is arranger and composer, well, Gil Evans was not much of a composer. I prefer being asked for a favourite, but better or worse ... all these guys were very good, as were Thad Jones, Bob Brookmeyer, Clare Fischer, and so many others. I hear that "American thing to be # 1" (Don Cherry) chime in here.

It may have been intentional - I've seen it for the first time today, and it looks like it, wardrobe and all - but it also looks like she lost her courage at the last second.

Say? Did the boys deliver?

Human health and nutrition is too sophisticated to be summed up in something like the Atkins diet - it never convinced me, although it works, but that does not mean it is really healthy. Or maybe he simply didn't practice what he preached. They sure wouldn't tell us.

I'd like to point out that a smile of approval showed on my face when I checked the Grammy awards listing and found your name on it, Christiern. You should know better, since you been there. I suspected Keepnews has at least a minor ego problem - seems to be a side-effect of record producing just as corruption is of a career in politics, that most succumb to. The world is not giving justice, we all know.

yeah, rub it in... So ya don't like dem french horns, John? I certainly do! I was referring to your assumption that I included in the quote Poor little boy ... aber sie können geholfen werden ... B) (sorry for the misinterpretation)

Re. the Koch Jazz reissues of the Jazz Modes CDs (Julius Watkins and Charlie Rouse): I searched the Koch site, but they seem to be OOP.

yeah, rub it in... So ya don't like dem french horns, John?

I am always amazed that it is possible to come up with something you don't know, Jim ... The BGP reissue says the sessions were produced by Keepnews and Lytle, so maybe he was de podner. These LPs are very rare, Dusty Groove has an LP reissue, but the BGP CD is still around.

I got the two Koch reissues from amazon.de - I'm afraid you won't get them cheaper. Since Koch was bought by some major, they have been deleting a lot of stuff - e.g. many excellent classical recordings from the German Koch label. It is horrible. No idea if they are still available. You can check the US Koch site. I didn't post the cover of the first Julius Watkins Blue Note session as I assumed everybody here has that one - some of the most beautiful french horn ever recorded, the range of his sounds on the horn is amazing, the tone is gorgeous.

What, you never seen James Moody in concert? Great stuff. Now this is a record that should be made before it's too late: James Moody & Clark Terry : Yodelling and Mumbling

Now what do you think you missed? As far as your own test is concerned, you're still on the list, of course, but that will take a few weeks ... As far as your participation and disc receipt of individual Blindfold Tests is concerned, you'll have to signup for each disc/test individually, in the signup threads started by the test master when he/she prepares the disc for shipment, about a week in advance. Maybe you missed this or there was a misunderstanding. You still can signup for # 7, click here!

Seems like THERE IS a Caney CD with that famous session: Descarga Caliente With Bebo Valdés And His Havana All-stars Bebo Valdes Featuring: Bebo Valdés, El Negro Vivar, Pucho Escalante, Generoso Jimenez, Gustavo Mas, Cachaito, Tata Güines, Candido Camero, Guillermo Barreto... REFERENCE: CCD 512 BAR CODE: 84 27328 20512 2 PRICE: 9.80 ? Tracklisting: 1. Descarga Caliente 2. Con Poco Poco 3. Mambo Cantabile 4. Miramar 5. Special Bebo 6. Pan Pan Pan 7. Big Shot Cha Cha Cha 8. Mambo Riff 9. Tabu 10. Chiribiricocola La 11. Hotcha Cha 12. Dile A Catalina 13. Zigzag Mambo 14. Smocha Cha 15. Desconfianza 16. Estoy Matizando 17. Bebo´s Blues Tracks 1,3,4,7,8,9,11,12,14,15 recorded in Havana 1955. Tracks 2,6,10,16,18, Havana 1952 Tracks 5,13, Havana 1957. Track 17, Havana 1956. Now where's track 18?

As stated, Con Poco Coco was on the Verve Mambo Kings compilation: AFAIK the only CD with some of this legendary session. That Messidor CD Bebo Valdes made is also recommended. He carries the spirit of Descarga more than anybody else.

For me this is still the best album Fathead ever made, so soulful, as if he poured everything he had into it. Ray Charles really supports him on this one: He never did that on any of the Hank Crawford albums! Newman was and is something special.

I was after that LP after reading the ***** review in down beat, but was disappointed by the sound - Roger Nichols, the guy who did most Steely Dan records. Maybe that was their idea of how a jazz record should sound. Took me years to find it and now I read the CD sound is better .... I never heard two tenors so intertwined. Christlieb is one bad motorcycle. Great music. I need more Warne Marsh - hell I need more money for buying CDs!

LOST CAUSE ???!!?

I must add that I consider Julius Watkins and Charlie Rouse to be one of the great horn ( ) teams in jazz, they would have continued if the group had got some more gigs, they had met in Oscar Pettifords group. (The first one here has Phil Urso on tenor.)

The Watkins albums have wordless vocals on some tracks by a rather operatic sounding singer - he wanted a different color, using the voice like an instrument. I love them, though, and I would advice anybody with only a trace of interest in Watkins to get the two Atlantic LPs which are available on two Koch CDs, as long as they are around, they swing harder than the Dawn sessions, one has an extended group with Sahib Shihab that will appeal the most to the board members here. Atlantic: Dawn:

I am curious about the Tuba label. It looks like this was Orrin Keepnews first attempt at founding a record label after Riverside's demise, and so far I found only three LPs issued: TUBA LP 5001 Johnny Lytle - The Loop (December 1964 and mid-1965) TUBA LP 5002 Johnny Lytle - New and Groovy (January 1966) TUBA LP 5003 Junior Mance - The Good Life (????) It seems the Junior Mance was in part reissued on Milestone MSP 9041, some tracks with new bass and drum tracks dubbed in. Anybody know some more about this label? Why didn't Keepnews reissue the Lytle LPs on Milestone? (They were on a CD of the British BGP label in 1990).

You remember that group of musicians that jokingly called themselves "Miscellaneous instruments club"? Mat Mathews - accordion Herbie Mann - flute Oscar Pettiford - cello Julius Watkins - french horn Joe Puma - guitar (yes, the guitar once was an outsider, too!) These guys did many a fine recording session for Dawn, Savoy, Bethlehem, Riverside etc., but without the lush sound of an orchestra like Gil Evans', where most of you all accept these instruments for coloration, in a small group setting they are like under a magnifying glass. You have to open up, get used to it and listen. Just listen. There's a lot of beautiful music to be discovered.

It's all in the player's hand (and mouth), and it's all in the listener's ears ... There's good and mediocre players on every instrument. I have a friend who disliked many an instrument, but after playing him the right people, he turned around. I love some player on every instrument. Maybe some of you shouldn't expect some rarely heard instruments to sound too much like what you're familiar with. On the other hand, the techniques of several instruments were expanded when a player tried to transfer things he heard another instrumentalist do. Jean-Luc Ponty was influenced by Coltrane, as was Larry Young, and Coltrane practiced with sheet music for violin, piano and harp!

If the remainder of "Someday" really will not be in the fall box set, Mobley again is the looser: 1 CD Someday 2 CD Carnegie Hall Live 4 CD Blackhawk live then only the quintets with Coleman and Rivers would be in that box. Miles' curse over Hank still seems to work ...

I too suspect they will put the double CDs into a slipcase like they did with the two Blackhawk doubles.