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I think I should've titled this 'popular' thread, "Rochberg's Critique of the Strict Twelve-Tone Method of Composition", rather than a critique of Schoenberg, whose music and genius Rochberg greatly admired....

At a time when I was interested in the folk/jazz connection in the 1960s, I read the bio on TB, which I enjoyed a lot. TB was fiercely anti-commercial, and used jazz-oriented guitarists, Underwood and Art Johnson, rather than the hokey players the other folkies used. I exchanged emails with Art Johnson about his involvement with Buckley, and Judee Sill, and discovered a jazz underground in LA that consisted of players like Tommy Peltier, Lynn Blessing, Marc McClure, Denis Del Guidice and Bill Plummer, who fused folk/rock and jazz in a subtler way than the more well-known examples of that fusion. While I appreciated the fact that he incorporated improvisation into his later music (and later, funk!), I still prefer the Happy/Sad, Hello/Goodbye tunes

No Arnold, you shan't have the last word. You were truly a master, but you sought to reduce music to an aurally meaningless mathematical formula consisting of twelve-tone rows, in which no note could be repeated until the row had been stated. Though you composed master works outside of the twelve-tone system, you and no one else composed a master work using the STRICT, serial system. Praise free atonality, but the twelve-tone enslavement is over! Adrian Leverkuhn

I recently read "Straight Life", and found it to be one of the most honest jazz autobios ever written. Art and Laurie, maybe due to their Synanon training, didn't whitewash anything. I just finished "Raise Up Off Me", which was also great, but maybe HH needed someone like Laurie rather than Don Asher to get more in depth. Happy B'day!

Yes, the way Sal integrated his solos so well in each arrangement is amazing; no matter what the tempo was. Jake Hanna and the bass player propel the band effortlessly, and every member of the band swung like nobody's business.

Although no one can replace Sinatra, I've had the pleasure of working with a vocalist/trumpet player who did just that with the Tommy Dorsey band. Check him out:

RIP, Frankie. I'm sorry to say, but the most vivid memory concerning FD (I never met him) was a story a pianist I knew told me about FD touring with Astrud Gilberto. Suffice it to say that it ended with FD exclaiming in rapture, "The golden showers! The golden showers!"

There are so many articles on this subject, it's difficult to just choose one, but here's one i found (though it's not the one I mentioned): http://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/10/arts/classical-view-how-talented-composers-become-useless.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Ar

If we're getting anecdotal here, there's always the story about Leonard Bernstein walking into a big meeting of twelve-tone composers, and going immediately over to the piano, and playing "Happy Birthday" in the various forms 12-tone composers use to develop their themes; retrograde, inversion, retrograde inversion... He then asked if any of them could identify it. Not one of them could...

"We do not, cannot, begin all over again. In each generation because the past is indelibly printed on our central nervous systems. Each of us is part of a vast physical, mental, spritual web of previous lives, existences, modes of thoughts, behaviors and perceptions of actions and feelings reaching much further back than what we call history" - GEORGE ROCHBERG (Don Sebesky quoting Rochberg)

Yeah, I didn't have the heart to ask him why a tune he claimed he wrote sounded suspiciously like a tune I heard on an obscure musicians album...

Me? Rich? This is sooo amazing!!! Thank you, Sgcim ( if that is your real name) for the excellent detective work. If only my parents had known about our family fortune. Or their parents....or their parents. And to think of some of the things I've had to do over the years just to make ends meet...not proud. But, no matter. This is a life changing moment...truly a fairy tale. Scmib, if you weren't an anonymous cyber entity I would kiss you. Well, maybe not. But you will be handsomely rewarded for this. Just post the pertinent information: Where my family fortune resides, how you found out about it, what my connection to it is, and I'll take care of the rest. Most importantly also post: your real name, bank account number, routing number and anything else I need to transfer a generous reward to your bank account as soon as I collect this fortune. This sax player dude told me all that stuff about you and Fred Hersch. The FH stuff panned out, so I figured what he said about you was true, also. Sorry for the misinformation. I'll see that guy tonight at a rehearsal, and confront his ass about this. I told the guy what Tardo said, and he said sheepishly, "I guess I was wrong, but I was right about Hersch and Stern!". Now that you're back with the 99% TH, i dug the Dameron CD.

Me? Rich? This is sooo amazing!!! Thank you, Sgcim ( if that is your real name) for the excellent detective work. If only my parents had known about our family fortune. Or their parents....or their parents. And to think of some of the things I've had to do over the years just to make ends meet...not proud. But, no matter. This is a life changing moment...truly a fairy tale. Scmib, if you weren't an anonymous cyber entity I would kiss you. Well, maybe not. But you will be handsomely rewarded for this. Just post the pertinent information: Where my family fortune resides, how you found out about it, what my connection to it is, and I'll take care of the rest. Most importantly also post: your real name, bank account number, routing number and anything else I need to transfer a generous reward to your bank account as soon as I collect this fortune. This sax player dude told me all that stuff about you and Fred Hersch. The FH stuff panned out, so I figured what he said about you was true, also. Sorry for the misinformation. I'll see that guy tonight at a rehearsal, and confront his ass about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utqp7ECKUl0#t=57

Although not the recording you mean, the guitarist Jimmy Wyble did a Quintet recording of ATTYA in the style you mention. The weird instrumentation was guitar, accordion, clarinet, bass and drums. I think Desmond, Brubeck and that tenor player they used to play with (Dave K.?) did a Baroque version of it in the 50s. It's a fifth fall chain that lends itself to Bach quotes.

I don't know about the paintings, but there are some 'fabulous' looking dresses that marian used to wear for performances- do you wear red or blue?

Thanks for the info! I live about 20 minutes away from there, so I'll probably drop by Saturday and hopefully find something interesting.

Did a gig last night with a sax player who said he worked for Mosaic. I asked him if there was anything new coming up, and he mentioned some James P. Johnson sides, and the Rosemary Clooney small group sessions 1956-61.

It's almost impossible to be a jazz listener, and not to have heard CH. RIP

http://www.laweekly.com/2014-07-10/news/the-wildest-party-in-la-history/?showFullText=true

Data is very expensive in the U.S. And comparing Austria to the U.S. is impossible to do since Austria is about as large as South Carolina, which is our 40th largest state. That makes for a logistical nightmare. OK, what I was saying is that data costs are decreasing dramatically everywhere, in some countries this happens a bit faster, on some slower, but it is happening, and it is inevitable. Actually, I thought that in the US music streaming services have contracts with mobile operators (Spotify just got one with Sprint), so streaming music through your phone does not even count towards your data plan. Ain't happening here in South Carolina, Austria. I'm not talking about "common jazz musicians", I'm talking about the best of the best. Musicians whose CDs you probably own, and probably have seen playing in concert or at a club. I can believe that in Vienna, there are some musicians who can make a living playing music (not necessarily jazz), because the mania to replace live music with technology is not as prevalent in Europe as it is in the US, Very true. Live music is used even for some of the most insignificant social occasions here (might be to an extent due to abundance of competent and versatile musicians who charge low fees). I'm takin' me the first flight outta here to Austria!

I still have bad memories of Rosen ridiculing my choice of Balzac to write a paper on for his Music and French Literature course in college. "Balzac? Oh really. I didn't know that people actually read him anymore..."

From Spotify's website, this is how much the artist gets per stream on Spotify: "Recently, these variables have led to an average “per stream” payout to rights holders of between $0.006 and $0.0084. This combines activity across our tiers of service. The effective average “per stream” payout generated by our Premium subscribers is considerably higher." I think that pretty much leaves out any jazz or classical artists making more than a few CENTS, if they're lucky. I don't know ONE jazz musician who makes a living from ONLY playing music today.

I used to hear them on WBAI in the early 70s.