I'm not hardbop, nor am I a hardbop apologist, but I don't think the Murray thread at that other place has been fairly characterized here. Some might want to read it & some of the comments more carefully. I seem to recall some harsh criticism of Murray in the past by a very esteemed member of this board.
The Roney thread is another story, although I'm cautious about the inclusion of
D. J. Logic. On the other hand (& way off topic) artists like Uri Caine have used "turntableists" effectively, so I'll have to listen more carefully.
Disclaimer: I'm not a big hip hop fan.