and in the other corner, weighing in at five tons, Max/Jymie Merritt/Charles Tolliver/Gary Bartz/Stanley Cowell. Wouldn't want to be without either record. "Speak, Brother, Speak", to me, is where Clifford Jordan really found his voice, becoming Clifford Jordan rather than just another good tenor player. I agree Jane Getz sounds good on that Mingus album. I have her birthday as September 12, 1942, so she was 21. My understanding is that Mingus treated her terribly, and whatever the case, Byard was soon back in the piano chair, with Getz basically heading into studio work (with some pretty big names).