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That was probably after. Miles Ahead has Ron's earliest recordings with Miles in mid-April of 1963 (at Columbia Studios in Hollywood) -- which off the top of my head, I think are on the "Seven Steps to Berlin" box.

For my birthday Sunday, I had a lovely day with my Dad and his side of the family (the morning after my uncle's memorial service the day before) -- and then had both lunch and dinner in two of my all-time favorite haunts -- the Coney Island hot dog place in the small town where I went to college (in upstate Illinois), and then a burger and homemade chili at the bar across the street from the community theater that was the center of my social life all through high school (down near St. Louis) -- and a lovely drive from the top of the state down to St. Louis (taking the back roads), with my Dad (who's in his mid 80's) and my wife. (And the burger and chili was made by the very same person -- the owner of the bar -- who was there when I was doing theater there 25 years ago.) All in all, a really nice visit, and a great opportunity to remember an amazing man (my Uncle). I'll have to start another thread about him sometime, and share his artwork with you.

Thanks everybody. Out of town this weekend in upstate Illinois for the memorial service for my Uncle, who passed away recently. I have him to thank for my earliest interest in jazz (he had an amazing collection of a couple thousand jazz LP's in his basement, which I enjoyed especially starting in my college years, when I first became interested in jazz in the early 90's). And also, more recently, for his collection of Downbeat mags from April of 1965 through 1985 (complete!) - which I'm bringing back to Washington with me just this week, along with about 25 albums of special interest to me (I'll have to detail then in another thread when I get back home, with pics). Typing this from a wonky computer in the lobby of our hotel, so I'll otherwise be off-line until I get back home late Monday night. Thank god Southwest Airlines allows two free suitcases per passenger (I'm here with my wife), because the 20 years of Downbeats alone fill 3 carry-on sized bags, and come to between 120 to 130 lbs total. (And thank goodness most of those bags have wheels, because we're flying into Baltimore, and taking the bus to the Metro to get home in DC.) Catch you all in a couple days. Cheers!!

Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (ft. Stéphane Grappelli) <<< This Youtube link cues directly to where his solo begins. This is totally legit (and it's really Grappelli, who was recording in the studio next door that day), and comes from the very recent expanded reissues of the Pink Floyd album, Wish You Were Here. His solo comes in around the 3 minute mark (link above), but if you just want to hear the whole song, here 'tis...

I don't dispute that The Wall is a triumph, but over the years, I've grown to have less and less and less use for it. In the legal wranglings over the Pink Floyd name in 1987, Roger got the full ownership rights to The Wall in the settlement (save for the 2 or 3 specific tunes Dave wrote, namely Run Like Hell and Comfortably Numb). So, as a matter of law, The Wall 'belongs' to Roger -- which is how I feel it should be. It's a GREAT Roger Waters album, for those who like such things, but The Wall doesn't feel much at all like Pink Floyd to me. If I owned a complete collection of Floyd and Roger Water's solo output, I'd file The Wall and The Final Cut under "W" at the beginning of Roger's solo work. Thus, Animals is the last 'real' Pink Floyd album, in my mind -- though I do fancy about half of the tracks from Gilmour's later efforts under the Pink Floyd name (even if they don't feel like real Pink Floyd either).

Gilmour played bass on the studio recordings of "Pigs (Three Different Ones)" and "Sheep" (not sure about "Dogs" - but I seem to remember that was all Roger). Apologies that I don't have time at this very moment to provide citations, but I'm pretty sure these are both fairly well established, from everything I've seen on-line.

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For a good 15 year now, Animals has been my favorite complete album by Pink Floyd, though there are many individual tracks from years prior that continue to blow me away to this day. I also consider Animals to be the last "real" Floyd album, as I consider both The Wall, and The Final Cut, to really be more Roger-type projects (and if I had copies of either, I'd file them under "Waters" in my collection). And on a related note, Les Claypool (of Primus) did a remake of the complete Animals album (HERE), recorded live, no less -- and it's nothing short of spectacular. I highly and unconditionally recommend it to fans of the original album.

Except Herbie on "Speak Like a Child" and "The Prisoner". And speaking of Herbie... ...how about Wayne for this thread?? The tunes he wrote for Miles sure are incredibly distinctive, as as nearly all of his other tunes (at least in the 60's - I'm less familiar with his tunes after about 1970). Same with Herbie, for that matter. I believe those charts were done not by Herbie but Thad Jones. Herbie's tunes, though. Correct me if I'm wrong. Don't think I am, though. Not sure I've ever heard that (that Thad did the charts), but I have no idea, either way. Anybody know?

I think this may be the only live "1960's" Grant Green I've yet run across -- is this really it for any live documentation of Green in the 60's? (Or am I forgetting something? - wouldn't be the first time, that's for sure.) Edit: just thought of Stanley T's "Up At Minton's" - which is live (iirc). But other than that (plus what this thread is about), is that it for live Grant Green that's floating about? Nothing else jumps out at me here.

Not much of a VH fan, but I'm even less of a DLR fan. So, Van Hagar, if I must.

Lift Every Voice is the only one of these I have. Are all the rest piano-less quartet recordings? - and who are the trumpter(s)?

Isn't the extra live disc all (or practically all) standards? I love Woody -- he's near the very top of my all-time-favorites list of trumpeters, maybe 2nd only to Miles -- but I have to confess that his treatment of standards are often hit-n-miss for me. If the extra disc is all or mostly standards, I think I may have to be content with my Mosaic and the expanded Stepping Stones (which I have both on CD and LP).

I've never been clear about what the complete discography of Max Roach leader-dates with Billy Harper really comes to. I know there's a Horo (a double LP, I believe), and one or two other dates I don't know any of the details of. Have any ever been released on CD? What does the complete "Roach/Harper" discography look like?

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Especially players who's tenor work I really like. For the record, I try not to level that opinion as a criticism of the player in question - but it definitely is a preference of mine.

Especially like the McMaster issue of "No Room For Squares", since it has the entire Mobley Session with Andrew Hill.

You're missing out. Moon Germs is a great album. Soprano sax played by any of the great jazz musicians never bothered me. It's the later fusion and generic players that I can't tolerate. But Shorter, Lacy, Farrell, and even Zoot Sims is great to listen to on soprano. I really like Wayne Shorter on Soprano up throught the time when he left Miles - but only when I'm in the mood. I also like Nathan Davis' Soprano quite a bit (I've never heard anyone play as well in tune on soprano as Nathan Davis). But as far as other soprano-heavy players, I've never been able to dig Lacy much, nor much Wayne post-Miles, nor much Liebman, nor much Grossman -- though I have grown to like their time with Elvin (on the BN Elvin box) -- nor Jane Bunnett. It's just not an instrument I'm super fond of, 'cept in a few contexts that I've grown to like over time.

Literally, the worst sounding recording I've ever heard.

Just saw this on the DVR from last night, and had to share... (Yes, the Bruce Springsteen song.) John Legend: Dancing in the Dark (30-sec ad precedes, might be a bit loud.) I've never owned any John Legend, but he's always seemed like the real deal. And is there nothing the Roots can't do with at least some measure of credibility?

Do any of the CTI's feature him mostly on tenor? - especially without much soprano? I love most of his tenor work (which reminds me a bit of Joe Henderson), which I know best from the Elvin BN's, and those two or three Hill dates he's on. The only Farrell leader-date I have is Skate Board Park ( ), and I've always meant to get more by him (or with him) -- but it seems like most of his leader-dates have a ton of soprano (and some flute) -- neither of which interest me as much. (I've probably almost bought "Moon Germs" a dozen times for the sidemen, but I can't bring myself to buy such a soprano-heavy date.)

As long as we're in a thread about Naxos, I used to buy nearly every disc in their largely fantastic "American Composers" (which often included transplants to America). I had an e-mail exchange with someone at Naxos years ago (around 1999, iirc) asking if/when Naxos was going to offer a disc (or two?) of music by Carl Ruggles. There was this (then thought to be) "Complete Works of Ruggles" 2-LP set that Michael Tilson Thomas was largely behind in or about 1980, but other than that - anything approaching a 'complete' set of Ruggles has never appeared on CD (much to my great disappointment). Seems like a Ruggles project (at least with all the orchestral works) would be a text-book case for the Naxos "American" series. Back then (my exchange with the random Naxos person by e-mail), they indicated such a project was in the works (for Naxos). Here it is 2012, and still nothing that I'm aware of. What the hell?

I've seen tapes like that in the first video (a good 20-25 years ago in Goodwill stores, iirc), but I've never seen a player for them. I think I owned a two-track tape (or two) like that for a few years, just for the heck of it.

Tempting at that price.

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