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Discogs seems to suggest Liebman plays tenor (and only tenor?) seemingly on all(?) of discs 1 & 2 (and his soprano playing is only on disc 3) — is that correct? Or maybe I’m reading it wrong, and he simply doesn’t play any tenor at all on disc 3, and he plays both on discs 1 & 2. https://www.discogs.com/release/3201343-David-Liebman-Richie-Beirach-Mosaic-Select-David-Liebman-Richie-Beirach Soprano Saxophone – David Liebman Tenor Saxophone – David Liebman (tracks: 1-1 to 2-4) also, Alto Flute – David Liebman (tracks: 2-1 to 2-4) ANYWAY, how “soprano-heavy” is this release? (If I might ask, sheepishly. )

My Google-Fu isn’t coming up with anything at all for: 1) the song title as a specific string, plus 2) Moody but 3) without any mention of Bennett (and I also stripped out the title of another Moody song on some 32jazz-ish BS comp CD that has “coffee break” in the title of the CD, which includes another presumably unrelated Moody tune called “simplicity and beauty”). Searching on this provides a couple dozen hits, but none of them have anything to do with James Moody the jazz musician. Google search key: “coffee break” “james moody” -Bennett -Simplicity -Beauty

First single from this release…

Makes me wonder if that should read 1968 instead? Iirc, those tunes were from just before before — or at least contemporaneous to — 1968 (or at least “Backjack”). Edit: Byrd recorded “Christo…” in ‘64, and “Blackjack” in ‘67.

You need this. I bought this exact shirt from this exact seller, and the quality was outstanding — and I can recommend it unconditionally. Excellent quality shirt, and the transfer looks and feels great! https://www.ebay.com/itm/314003187004

The download tracks say: “Detroit Contemporary 4 featuring Charles Moore, Ron English and Stanley Cowell” — and their tracks all say: “Live in Detroit, 1965”. The Byrd tracks all say 1978, but none of the other tracks have dates. (All this is from the link I posted earlier, if you scroll down.)

Looks super interesting. I see the CD appears to have one bonus track not on the vinyl (track #6: DETROIT CONTEMPORARY 4 – THREE FLOWERS 08:19). Full track listings (and maybe a little more info about the release) here… https://strut.k7store.com/release/330355-various-artists-john-sinclair-presents-detroit-artists-workshop And I think I’m also seeing there’s one more bonus track still in the download (not on the CD even) — ‘track’ #12: Cheeba The Lyman Woodard Organization (no track time shown). Don’t think I’ll pre-order, but if the reports are good once it’s out, I’ll be mighty tempted to get this one more than likely.

Holy shit! How’d that happen?

Everyone — and I do NOT mean to direct this at any one person — but this statement does include both Allen and CJ… Everyone (myself included) please try and remember to be kind to each other… (And that goes for ME too, when I forget to let my ‘better angels’ guide me (which happens all too fucking easily, especially of late, let me tell you)— and I use that phrase ‘better angels’ metaphorically, btw, because I’m basically an atheist, or more accurately, a non-theistic agnostic) Remember that kindness goes a long way. Whatever negative things or behaviors someone else is exhibiting or actively demonstrating, there’s usually a better side of them to remember that’s still in there. CJ and Allen, you are BOTH valuable members of this community. I’m sorry that feathers are being ruffled — but also remember that we are all quite limited in this mostly text-based world we ‘live in’ together. Emojis can sometimes help a little, but they’re also prone as fuck to misinterpretation too. Be kind to each other, and try and assume good intent on the part of one another. Even when it’s not necessary there, just try and assume the other party ISN’T necessarily trying to say something else with a more barbarous intention or interpretation. Allen, don’t you go anywhere. You’re a super valuable contributor here. I don’t feel like I know you all that well — for whatever reasons, even when we’re in the same threads, we’ve never really discussed things back and forth much (and I haven’t a clue why that is). I’m not in any way suggesting that’s your fault, or has anything specific to do with you. I just don’t feel like I ‘know’ you well enough to be even saying any of this. And I guess that’s a little true with you too, CJ — but I don’t feel it as strongly because I know you’ve shared a lot with us about yourself. (And you certainly have too, Allen, and I absolutely don’t mean to suggest otherwise). (And of course, CJ, you’re super valuable too. You and Allen both are.) No, I don’t know where the fuck I’m going with all this. I woke up at 3:15am, and can’t sleep (life’s really got me down of late). Anyway, just let’s all try and be kind to each other. And I’m telling myself that too. Little background, fuck-it… What’s getting me down (and woke me up) is making it harder for ME to want to be as kind as I can be to others lately. For the last 2 months some ongoing insurance fuck-up has me off some meds I’ve been on for a decade, and now my perception of the world is turning a little more ‘grey’ with every passing week, and I’m feeling like wallpaper paste all the fucking time now, oh joy. It’s not the end of the world, and I’m sure half of everyone here has something worse (and many, a lot worse) that they’re grappling with, than what I’m going through. But it still sucks, and I hate that I have to remind myself not to be such a huge grump all the time (and I mostly do ok, by over-compensating in how I present myself on the outside, to make up for how I feel inside). ANYWAY, please be kind to each other. Again, CJ and Allen, even if I don’t really know both of you (or feel like I know you as well as I could) — we’re all friends here. Even when we’re not, we’re ALL friends deeper down. That may not be true all the time, but it’s more true than not. PS: I’m briefly quoting both of you, so both of you get reply notifications as a result — so that both of you see and read what I’ve just posted right above this.

Lord yes!!

I don’t know if Allen’s story is accurate, but I certainly want to believe it (which is also exactly how I felt when I read it) — and therefore I choose to believe it. It’s absolutely an outstanding story, Allen — and regardless of whether it really happened exactly that way or not, I’m genuinely proud to say I know the man who invented AOR radio.

Yeah, back in college around 1989-92 I worked on-air in a modified top-40 format (CHR=Contemporary Hits Radio, with less aggressive stuff M-F during the workday, and slightly more aggressive stuff in the evenings and on weekends)… …and we played a fair bit of New Jack Swing — not tons and tons, but maybe the best (or best-known) 25-30 songs from the genre. And that stuff kicks!! I’ve never owned any, but I’ve almost bought a couple good V/A CD-comps of it a few times. Not my bag, but that stuff — much of it — is damn satisfying.

Me too!!

The plot thickens! (This isn’t on Discogs, btw)

Yeah, I got that notion too. Certainly the ones where the titles had some personal connection to him — but even the rest, it was sort of implied (or I got that, anyway).

Hadn’t seen any writing credits yet, so I’ll be curious to see which tunes are MacKay’s. I’m hoping the back of the LP is reproduced in the CD packaging, when I hope to have in hand in the next 7-10 days. Not expecting any additional liners, and I’m fully expecting the CD to be sourced from an LP (which is entirely understandable). BTW, the back cover and LP labels can be easily read in this current eBay listing (better than any of the ones on Discogs). https://www.ebay.com/itm/284492338229 I’m also not seeing any writing-credit info at all in these pics (unless it’s in the short musician bios, and I overlooked it)… So it’s curious that’s mentioned in the DB review (but unfortunate that the DB review doesn’t specifically say which tunes were written by whom). Also, I’m seeing that the drummer and bass player are different on the first cut (“Dee-Dee”) than the rest of the album.

Can anyone pinpoint the specific issue of Downbeat that the Bagby album review was in? (All my uncle’s DB’s are in folios on some bottom shelves behind a whole bunch of boxes of books we’re needing to donate somewhere one of these days. But if I know the issue number, that’d help.)

Blog post (short article) on this album... http://flophousemagazine.com/2019/07/28/the-hank-bagby-soultet-opus-one-protone-1964/ Another similar post, with a little more (or slightly different) info... http://vancouverjazz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5727 And another... https://www.stitcher.com/show/citr-the-jazz-show/episode/tenor-saxophonist-composer-hank-bagby-the-hank-bagby-soultet-opus-one-52050155 And here's a brief interview (more a synopsis of an interview, the way it reads) with the trumpeter on the session, Chuck Foster. AND, it suggests that this Hank Bagby album got a review in Downbeat! (3.5 starts, supposedly). I’m also now seeing that in the Wikipedia entry for Bagby himself. https://www.united-mutations.com/f/chuck_foster.htm

Here's the last two tracks (of six)...

MacKay really has a great presence on this Bagby date. What's your word, Jim? -- he's 'frisky'!! And, goddamn, I'm just seeing below that he studied with Lennie! And Bill Evans! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Mackay_(musician) More bio there than I was expecting, and I don't have time to read it all this second -- but Lennie Tristano was not a name I was expecting to see in his list of mentors. EDIT: I just skimmed the first part of his bio again, and am just seeing now that MacKay was blind... so maybe that helped connect him with Tristano (perhaps) -- not that that was a requirement for studying with him (certainly not!).

Here's cuts 3 & 4 (out of 6)...

Frist two cuts (of six). Not a bum track on the whole thing (and no throw-away ballads, or blues-heads either).

The guy's name was Hank. What else you need to know?

This CD showed up on the Dusty Groove website for a hot minute earlier this week (and sold in hours -- I missed out, but I found another one on discogs for about $23 ppd). But I preserved the Dusty hype, which the album actually mostly lives up to (it's all on YouTube, and I'll post all the individual tracks in pairs throughout the day). First, here's Bagby's wikipedia page, which mentions him co-leading a group with Elmo Hope on the West Coast in the late 50's and early 60's. But to the best of my knowledge, this is the only LP he's ever been on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Bagby And the Dusty Groove verbiage. https://www.dustygroove.com/item/948351 Hank Bagby Soultet Opus One (Japanese paper sleeve edition) CD (Item 948351) Jazzhus Disk (Japan), 1964 — Condition: Used One of our favorite "lost" albums ever – an amazing small combo jazz session that rivals the best that 60s Blue Note or Prestige had to offer! The group's led by tenor player Hank Bagby – an artist we only know from this record, but who has a rich sense of imagination that comes out right from the start – not just on his well-penned tunes for the record, but also on his inventive arrangements, and his way of leading the sharp combo through the perfect realization of his musical vision! Bagby's tenor solos alone are worth the price of admission – but the record's a cooker that really gets equal energy from the whole ensemble too – trumpeter Chuck Foster, pianist Dave MacKay, bassist Al Hines, and drummer Chiz Harris – perfect throughout on original tunes that include "Dee Dee", "The Great Wall", "Soul Sonnet", "Kiss Me Quigley", "Iborian", and "Algerian Suite".