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The plot thickens! (This isn’t on Discogs, btw)

Yeah, I got that notion too. Certainly the ones where the titles had some personal connection to him — but even the rest, it was sort of implied (or I got that, anyway).

Hadn’t seen any writing credits yet, so I’ll be curious to see which tunes are MacKay’s. I’m hoping the back of the LP is reproduced in the CD packaging, when I hope to have in hand in the next 7-10 days. Not expecting any additional liners, and I’m fully expecting the CD to be sourced from an LP (which is entirely understandable). BTW, the back cover and LP labels can be easily read in this current eBay listing (better than any of the ones on Discogs). https://www.ebay.com/itm/284492338229 I’m also not seeing any writing-credit info at all in these pics (unless it’s in the short musician bios, and I overlooked it)… So it’s curious that’s mentioned in the DB review (but unfortunate that the DB review doesn’t specifically say which tunes were written by whom). Also, I’m seeing that the drummer and bass player are different on the first cut (“Dee-Dee”) than the rest of the album.

Can anyone pinpoint the specific issue of Downbeat that the Bagby album review was in? (All my uncle’s DB’s are in folios on some bottom shelves behind a whole bunch of boxes of books we’re needing to donate somewhere one of these days. But if I know the issue number, that’d help.)

Blog post (short article) on this album... http://flophousemagazine.com/2019/07/28/the-hank-bagby-soultet-opus-one-protone-1964/ Another similar post, with a little more (or slightly different) info... http://vancouverjazz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5727 And another... https://www.stitcher.com/show/citr-the-jazz-show/episode/tenor-saxophonist-composer-hank-bagby-the-hank-bagby-soultet-opus-one-52050155 And here's a brief interview (more a synopsis of an interview, the way it reads) with the trumpeter on the session, Chuck Foster. AND, it suggests that this Hank Bagby album got a review in Downbeat! (3.5 starts, supposedly). I’m also now seeing that in the Wikipedia entry for Bagby himself. https://www.united-mutations.com/f/chuck_foster.htm

Here's the last two tracks (of six)...

MacKay really has a great presence on this Bagby date. What's your word, Jim? -- he's 'frisky'!! And, goddamn, I'm just seeing below that he studied with Lennie! And Bill Evans! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Mackay_(musician) More bio there than I was expecting, and I don't have time to read it all this second -- but Lennie Tristano was not a name I was expecting to see in his list of mentors. EDIT: I just skimmed the first part of his bio again, and am just seeing now that MacKay was blind... so maybe that helped connect him with Tristano (perhaps) -- not that that was a requirement for studying with him (certainly not!).

Here's cuts 3 & 4 (out of 6)...

Frist two cuts (of six). Not a bum track on the whole thing (and no throw-away ballads, or blues-heads either).

The guy's name was Hank. What else you need to know?

This CD showed up on the Dusty Groove website for a hot minute earlier this week (and sold in hours -- I missed out, but I found another one on discogs for about $23 ppd). But I preserved the Dusty hype, which the album actually mostly lives up to (it's all on YouTube, and I'll post all the individual tracks in pairs throughout the day). First, here's Bagby's wikipedia page, which mentions him co-leading a group with Elmo Hope on the West Coast in the late 50's and early 60's. But to the best of my knowledge, this is the only LP he's ever been on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Bagby And the Dusty Groove verbiage. https://www.dustygroove.com/item/948351 Hank Bagby Soultet Opus One (Japanese paper sleeve edition) CD (Item 948351) Jazzhus Disk (Japan), 1964 — Condition: Used One of our favorite "lost" albums ever – an amazing small combo jazz session that rivals the best that 60s Blue Note or Prestige had to offer! The group's led by tenor player Hank Bagby – an artist we only know from this record, but who has a rich sense of imagination that comes out right from the start – not just on his well-penned tunes for the record, but also on his inventive arrangements, and his way of leading the sharp combo through the perfect realization of his musical vision! Bagby's tenor solos alone are worth the price of admission – but the record's a cooker that really gets equal energy from the whole ensemble too – trumpeter Chuck Foster, pianist Dave MacKay, bassist Al Hines, and drummer Chiz Harris – perfect throughout on original tunes that include "Dee Dee", "The Great Wall", "Soul Sonnet", "Kiss Me Quigley", "Iborian", and "Algerian Suite".

First and foremost, by all means (and with all due haste) get the Tentet album -- and if you do CD's, get the CD reissue with the 3 bonus tracks from his Word from Bird album. Those specific 3 tracks from Word from Bird are substantially more similar to the entire Tentet album, than the other half of Word from Bird. Some of the most unique and amazing music of its kind I can think of. I don't know enough of the rest of Charles' other output to really comment, other than (from what I gather) it's not as compositionally-complex (or the arrangements aren't as elaborate) as that Tentet +3 material is. (But I'd LOVE to be proven otherwise, if there's other stuff by Teddy that I'm overlooking, because I just don't know it.)

I'm excited about this release, but cautiously so. It'll all be streamable in short order (release day, probably). I'm at the point where, whenever possible, I try and fully-sample (i.e. listen to things either in their entirety, or at least more than half a release) anything before I buy it. Part of it is monetary, but it's also a question of space too (I've easily got 500 more CD's than I really have space for at the moment). Some things, clearly (like with Woody Shaw) are instant buys for me -- but it's been at least 5 years since I pulled out my Elvin Mosaic. I've got it on now, actually -- I listened to the Prime Element session with Lee this morning, and I'm on to disc #5 and #6 now (the 'weird' albums). There's definitely a better than 50/50 chance I'll get this new live Elvin thing, but it's probably not better than 65/35. It's not gonna go out of print overnight, and I can easily spin it a few times off YouTube or from Pandora before I make a decision. BTW, I still don't do (or buy) downloads much -- so, yes, space is a consideration. But that also helps keep me from amassing so much music that I'll never listen to 90% of it more than 5 times each (or less) over the next 20 years.

I have the Elvin Jones Mosaic, but I might pick up the new (first CD) reissue of Prime Element, in case I ever decide to sell the Mosaic. The 1969 session with Lee Morgan is one I wouldn’t want to be without. I do like the rest of the Elvin Box (even those last few, kinda squirrelly studio dates on discs #5 & #6) — but I could probably survive with just a subset of it.

Just down the road from us here in DC. Never new Kloss was on Mr. Rogers, until this very moment…

FWIW, Dusty does seem to be accepting pre-orders on this… https://www.dustygroove.com/item/126541 But then so does Amazon… Revival: Live at Pookie's Pub https://a.co/d/dVHfPme

Don’t derail a thread?? I’m sorry, but that’s not what we do around here!

Back around 2002, EIGHT or TEN times (the entire production run -- every performance over two weekends, including two performances on the Saturdays) -- I had the good fortune of seeing a ballet production of Hindemith's The Four Tempraments (wiki) -- commissioned by Balanchine, and scored for piano and strings (it's practically a piano concerto, except for the lack of solo cadenzas). Why the hell did I see every performance? -- you're asking. Well, it was on a double-bill with a staged ballet of Carmina Burana that I sang in the chorus for back in KC with the Kansas City Ballet and the KC Symphony (and the Hindemith was the first act). And for the entire run, I never missed watching the Hindemith from out in the audience. The music was wonderful, of course, but so was the choreography. My mom was a dancer back in her college years, and in her ideal world, she would have been a professional dancer of some sort (she loved modern dance, and tap). IIRC, she had the fortune to interact with Merce Cunningham once or twice a couple times the university she went to brought him in to work with students (University of Illinois), and she also got to dance to the music of Harry Partch performed by an ensemble with Harry overseeing the proceedings somehow (not sure if 'conducting' is the right term). Anyway, my mom always loved Balanchine, and I remember him being the only choreographer she mentioned by name very often (other than Cunningham). Over the years, my wife and I have tried to attend every work we happen to find in the arts section, that specially pairs Balanchine with works by modern, 20th century composers. I should have kept a list, but I know we've seen half-a-dozen l wonderful Stravinsky works (and not just the usual suspects). ALSO, as I was about to try and post this yesterday, I pulled up Four Temperaments on my phone briefly to include in the post (a YouTube clip), and started to play just a little of it, wondering if my wife would recognize it (she really loves the music). And I'll be damn, she nailed it barely 20-seconds in, and she said "Hey, is that Hindemith?" -- and 5 seconds later she said "Four Tempraments?!!" And this is WELL before any of the piano part comes in. Like I'm really not entirely sure *I* could have ID'd it that quickly myself!! Like I said, she really loves that piece -- but I'm sure it's been 3+ years since we've played it on the stereo. I've tried to cue this up to the 84-second mark, so the music starts right away (we'll see if that works)... 4 TEMPERAMENTS (NYC Ballet 1964 Canadian filming) PS: My wife saw that production twice (back in 2002), iirc — and I think we’ve seen two other productions of The Four Temperaments since then too. The music is divine, and the choreography too!!

I’ve dithered about getting this one for years. Maybe one of these days. I should set up an eBay auto search, and get more serious about finding one cheap (or at least cheaper). I

That’s how I look when I play any of the mid-20 opus numbered chamber works with winds by Schoenberg on the Hi-Fi — Wind Quintet (26), Serenade (24), and Suite (29). Half serious, at least in mind and spirit!

Pete Townshend(!!) knows EXACTLY what you're talkin' about, Jim. EXACTLY. Don't believe me? Check this... Pete's band in 1985, playing "Walking" of all things... But look for Pete throughout -- starting around 1:05, but periodically the camera is on him every 45 seconds, give or take. THAT motherfucker does dance, or at least he did in 1985, the whole fucking song. TOTAL COMFORT IN MIND AND BODY, just as you said...

RIP, genuinely. But I have to confess, sometime over the last 10-15 years (or at some point, at least), I must have literally completely forgotten all about him. I don’t think I’ve ever owned anything by him either, far as I’m remembering. I’m sure I was vaguely aware of him 20+ years ago, but what (specifically) I thought of him back when I was in college and thru the 90’s — I have absolutely no idea, or any specific memory whatsoever.

Walt Dickerson. On acid?

Just got an email from Mark’s publisher, and they’re offering a 40% discount on seemingly all their offerings… Our annual Fall Sale is here! From 9/12 to 9/30, get 40% off all titles. Plus get free shipping after the purchase of four books or more. Use the discount code UMSEPT22 to enjoy this deal. Happy reading! https://www.press.umich.edu/ And here’s Mark’s wonderful book! https://www.press.umich.edu/4454129/jazz_from_detroit

The only title from this set I’m missing is The Body & The Soul, his second Impulse date. Hasn’t been an urgency to get for the last 20 years, but maybe I’ll run across a cheap used CD of it sometime (or the two-fer that pairs both his Impulse dates — can’t remember if they both fit on one CD, or if that’s a 2cd two-fer).