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Me wanna see moar of the greats as kids!!

I’d love to know that too!! And a semi-related question too: I’d also love to know how much Sam Rivers made off of royalties from “Beatrice” over the years (especially broken down by decade at least, or by year). Not a mint, I realize, but I understand it wasn’t nothing either. Backstage while waiting to get an autograph, I heard Sam mention to someone (when I heard him play in Topeka in 2008) that the royalties from Beatrice was his ‘retirement’ (or something to that effect).

If only!!!!

I’ve been sorta tempted by the Hubbard one with Phil Ranelin on trombone. I’ve got most all of Ranelin’s own leader dates, and I understand this may be the only live document of him with Hubbard (I think that’s right). I’ve streamed it a few times, but this sale price makes it tempting.

I know! That’s what I was worried about too!

I think it’s probably similar to when you try and remember something, and can’t — but later (sometimes at little as 10-20 minutes later, but after you’ve activity stopped trying to think of it)… …suddenly it can occur to you, almost out of nowhere. It’s like the brain doesn’t really stop thinking about it, even if you’ve stopped actively trying to remember it. In other words, it’s a slightly different area of the brain at work, even if it’s accessing the same information — just in a different way. All of that’s totally conjecture on my part, but I’ve had that happen a hundred times over the years (not with music, but the example I just gave).

And yet another single surfaces -- presumably vocal(!) versions of "Dee Dee" and "I'm Through" (aka "Algerian suite" per my previous post). Here's where I got that from... https://www.popsike.com/Hank-Bagby-Dee-Dee-Im-Through-Protone-RARE-SOUL-45-LA-BOP-JAZZ-1965/292806274771.html I'd be SUPER curious to hear these vocal(!!) versions of "Dee Dee" and "I'm Through" (aka "Algerian Suite") -- but they do not appear to be uploaded anywhere online, at least not that I can find (with Google).

I also just found three copyright entries for lyrics having been added to TWO of the songs on this same Soultet album ("Dee Dee" and "Algerian suite" -- And note, the new title of "Algerian Suite" with lyrics is called "I'm Through".) The third copyright is for something called "Anna Belle King" - which doesn't seem at all related to this same Soultet album, far as I can tell. They can be seen here... https://books.google.com/books?id=eDYhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA1711&lpg=PA1711&dq=%22hank+bagby%22+%22Clarence+Henry+Bagby%22&source=bl&ots=qh-kObhX5p&sig=ACfU3U2JjUnof-FibGXTcIK8O4cWHtiziQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjirsfi76b6AhULGFkFHRs_BSgQ6AF6BAgbEAM#v=onepage&q=%22hank%20bagby%22%20%22Clarence%20Henry%20Bagby%22&f=false And I cut and pasted them from another on-line source of the same information (here) https://archive.org/stream/catalogofcopy19653195libr/catalogofcopy19653195libr_djvu.txt ANNA BELLE KING; m Hank Bagby (Clarence Henry Bagby), lyrics by Jane Court- land. © Protone Music; ION0V65; EP2IO894. DEE DEE; m Hank Bagby (Clarence Henry Bagby), lyrics by Jane Courtland. NM: "lyrics were added." © Protone Music; ION0V65; EP210899. I'M THROUGH; m Hank Bagby (Clarence Henry Bagby), lyrics by Jane Court- land. 2 p. Appl. states prev. reg. as Algerian suite. NM: added words. © Protone Music; 10Nov65; EP2IO898. I've no idea who Jane Courtland is or was (other than the apparent lyricist of these three songs). PS: A google image search suggests "Anna Belle King" was apparently some sort of non-LP single... https://www.popsike.com/LISTENNORTHERN-SOUL-POPCORNHANK-BAGBY-BYE-BYE-BYE/330548943817.html And it appears to be the other side of the same 45 sing I posted earlier, called "Bye Bye Bye"

Please report back how it was! -- especially Billy Harper. Hoping everyone sounds wonderful as ever.

Got the CD in the mail last night, have spun it a couple times today already. It's a better transfer than the ones on YouTube (or that you can stream through Pandora) -- what I'd call a 'very good' needle-drop. There's none of the between-track surface noise that's prominent on the various streaming versions. I continue to be more and more impressed with this album. Well rehearsed, and well arranged. Strong if not mind-blowing solos, with a fairly advanced use of time. Nice image of the original back cover liners on the mini-LP, and the text is reproduced (modern typesetting) in the fold-out liners. NO indication of any writing credits, other than the inference that Bagby wrote everything (re: his notes on each tune, and the source of their names). Interestingly, "Dusty Groove" gets a "special thanks" (by name) in the liners, along with a number of others. The copy I got still had a price-sticker from Dusty Groove on it too (at least I'm pretty sure it was from them), still sealed two. VERY happy to have a physical copy of this one on CD -- well worth down -- no 'regrats' at all.

I think Jimmy Raney’s guitar — both his particular playing, and also (and maybe especially) the timbre of guitar/his-guitar — are a pretty significant part of the overall sound of much of the Tentet album, and the two most key tracks from Word For Bird (which are included as bonus tracks on some Tentet releases on CD). His playing (and sound) — along with Charles’ vibes — really give the the entire proceedings quite a different character.

Discogs seems to suggest Liebman plays tenor (and only tenor?) seemingly on all(?) of discs 1 & 2 (and his soprano playing is only on disc 3) — is that correct? Or maybe I’m reading it wrong, and he simply doesn’t play any tenor at all on disc 3, and he plays both on discs 1 & 2. https://www.discogs.com/release/3201343-David-Liebman-Richie-Beirach-Mosaic-Select-David-Liebman-Richie-Beirach Soprano Saxophone – David Liebman Tenor Saxophone – David Liebman (tracks: 1-1 to 2-4) also, Alto Flute – David Liebman (tracks: 2-1 to 2-4) ANYWAY, how “soprano-heavy” is this release? (If I might ask, sheepishly. )

My Google-Fu isn’t coming up with anything at all for: 1) the song title as a specific string, plus 2) Moody but 3) without any mention of Bennett (and I also stripped out the title of another Moody song on some 32jazz-ish BS comp CD that has “coffee break” in the title of the CD, which includes another presumably unrelated Moody tune called “simplicity and beauty”). Searching on this provides a couple dozen hits, but none of them have anything to do with James Moody the jazz musician. Google search key: “coffee break” “james moody” -Bennett -Simplicity -Beauty

First single from this release…

Makes me wonder if that should read 1968 instead? Iirc, those tunes were from just before before — or at least contemporaneous to — 1968 (or at least “Backjack”). Edit: Byrd recorded “Christo…” in ‘64, and “Blackjack” in ‘67.

You need this. I bought this exact shirt from this exact seller, and the quality was outstanding — and I can recommend it unconditionally. Excellent quality shirt, and the transfer looks and feels great! https://www.ebay.com/itm/314003187004

The download tracks say: “Detroit Contemporary 4 featuring Charles Moore, Ron English and Stanley Cowell” — and their tracks all say: “Live in Detroit, 1965”. The Byrd tracks all say 1978, but none of the other tracks have dates. (All this is from the link I posted earlier, if you scroll down.)

Looks super interesting. I see the CD appears to have one bonus track not on the vinyl (track #6: DETROIT CONTEMPORARY 4 – THREE FLOWERS 08:19). Full track listings (and maybe a little more info about the release) here… https://strut.k7store.com/release/330355-various-artists-john-sinclair-presents-detroit-artists-workshop And I think I’m also seeing there’s one more bonus track still in the download (not on the CD even) — ‘track’ #12: Cheeba The Lyman Woodard Organization (no track time shown). Don’t think I’ll pre-order, but if the reports are good once it’s out, I’ll be mighty tempted to get this one more than likely.

Holy shit! How’d that happen?

Everyone — and I do NOT mean to direct this at any one person — but this statement does include both Allen and CJ… Everyone (myself included) please try and remember to be kind to each other… (And that goes for ME too, when I forget to let my ‘better angels’ guide me (which happens all too fucking easily, especially of late, let me tell you)— and I use that phrase ‘better angels’ metaphorically, btw, because I’m basically an atheist, or more accurately, a non-theistic agnostic) Remember that kindness goes a long way. Whatever negative things or behaviors someone else is exhibiting or actively demonstrating, there’s usually a better side of them to remember that’s still in there. CJ and Allen, you are BOTH valuable members of this community. I’m sorry that feathers are being ruffled — but also remember that we are all quite limited in this mostly text-based world we ‘live in’ together. Emojis can sometimes help a little, but they’re also prone as fuck to misinterpretation too. Be kind to each other, and try and assume good intent on the part of one another. Even when it’s not necessary there, just try and assume the other party ISN’T necessarily trying to say something else with a more barbarous intention or interpretation. Allen, don’t you go anywhere. You’re a super valuable contributor here. I don’t feel like I know you all that well — for whatever reasons, even when we’re in the same threads, we’ve never really discussed things back and forth much (and I haven’t a clue why that is). I’m not in any way suggesting that’s your fault, or has anything specific to do with you. I just don’t feel like I ‘know’ you well enough to be even saying any of this. And I guess that’s a little true with you too, CJ — but I don’t feel it as strongly because I know you’ve shared a lot with us about yourself. (And you certainly have too, Allen, and I absolutely don’t mean to suggest otherwise). (And of course, CJ, you’re super valuable too. You and Allen both are.) No, I don’t know where the fuck I’m going with all this. I woke up at 3:15am, and can’t sleep (life’s really got me down of late). Anyway, just let’s all try and be kind to each other. And I’m telling myself that too. Little background, fuck-it… What’s getting me down (and woke me up) is making it harder for ME to want to be as kind as I can be to others lately. For the last 2 months some ongoing insurance fuck-up has me off some meds I’ve been on for a decade, and now my perception of the world is turning a little more ‘grey’ with every passing week, and I’m feeling like wallpaper paste all the fucking time now, oh joy. It’s not the end of the world, and I’m sure half of everyone here has something worse (and many, a lot worse) that they’re grappling with, than what I’m going through. But it still sucks, and I hate that I have to remind myself not to be such a huge grump all the time (and I mostly do ok, by over-compensating in how I present myself on the outside, to make up for how I feel inside). ANYWAY, please be kind to each other. Again, CJ and Allen, even if I don’t really know both of you (or feel like I know you as well as I could) — we’re all friends here. Even when we’re not, we’re ALL friends deeper down. That may not be true all the time, but it’s more true than not. PS: I’m briefly quoting both of you, so both of you get reply notifications as a result — so that both of you see and read what I’ve just posted right above this.

Lord yes!!

I don’t know if Allen’s story is accurate, but I certainly want to believe it (which is also exactly how I felt when I read it) — and therefore I choose to believe it. It’s absolutely an outstanding story, Allen — and regardless of whether it really happened exactly that way or not, I’m genuinely proud to say I know the man who invented AOR radio.

Yeah, back in college around 1989-92 I worked on-air in a modified top-40 format (CHR=Contemporary Hits Radio, with less aggressive stuff M-F during the workday, and slightly more aggressive stuff in the evenings and on weekends)… …and we played a fair bit of New Jack Swing — not tons and tons, but maybe the best (or best-known) 25-30 songs from the genre. And that stuff kicks!! I’ve never owned any, but I’ve almost bought a couple good V/A CD-comps of it a few times. Not my bag, but that stuff — much of it — is damn satisfying.

Me too!!