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You can tell I don’t do downloads, because I forgot to even look earlier. Here’s the two Horo quartet double LP’s, legit (far as I know). https://sunramusic.bandcamp.com/album/new-steps https://sunramusic.bandcamp.com/album/other-voices-other-blues I think we’re quite fortunate that there’s even this much quartet material, fairly ‘outside’ - but not crazily so (which is just like I like it). Did this quartet play live any? I vaguely seem to remember a live release of some sort, which (iirc), was further out than I could get very much into (or was I just imagining this quartet playing live?). Maybe Media Dream or Disco 3000? Those titles are jumping in my head. Something I had at one point, but parted with (apparently).

Can anyone post some YouTube clips, either live footage, or plenty of his albums and a couple sideman appearances seem to be represented as full-album uploads. Any tracks to recommend? And discuss.

The two 1978 Horo double-LP’s of the Sun Ra Quartet (with Michael Ray, and Luqman Ali on percussion) - are pretty stunning. Track down this material, by hook or crook, however you can. New Steps was available ~8 years ago on a superb grey-market silver-disc CD (with fine liners even), Unfortunately Other Voices Other Blues hasn’t seen any similar sort of CD release, but there was a grey-market 3LP are issue of both double LP’s together (iirc), I forget the title - no idea of quality, but it’s probably pretty good I’d think. I have that boot CD of New Steps, and Also an original LP set of OVOB that I got back in college, part of a set of ~35 Arkestra albums I bought as a bundle for $150 (including several Saturns) - a lucky find, to be sure. All this Horo quartet material is pretty stunning (all of it studio recordings) - and important for the Gilmore quotient, but especially also for the Michael Ray (imho).

Can someone remind me, has this program/footage ever been released commercially?

I’m 51, and my first and only exposure to Ambrose was hearing him live here in DC at the Atlas theater in 2012. And much as I tried, I could not connect with his music much at all. It was him with a pretty forward thinking piano-trio backing him (can’t remember if it was piano, or maybe a Rhodes). But whatever, I couldn’t make heads or tails of it. My not caring for the concert *didn’t* made me think his playing was “nonsense” or anything - just that it wasn’t for me (despite my having fairly big ears, or so I’d like to think). I haven’t bought any of his releases, though, as you might imagine. Here’s someone else’s review of the very concert I heard (and it was in a small theater, not a club). https://www.capitalbop.com/live-review-ambrose-akinmusires-vigorous-serenity-at-the-atlas-performing-arts-center/

Thanks, but one of my bigger interests in the early FM material is hearing/having all of Christine McVie’s pre-1975 lead-vocal tracks (or most all of them), plus she presumably singles a few (at least a couple?) on the live concert bonus disc from the 8CD set. It’s not an “imperative”, but if I’m gonna get some of this material, I really ought not to leave any behind. I’m seeing the 5-disc OAS set omits 2(?) of the later FM albums with Christine McVie, so I’m pretty sure I’d eventually want them too. And no idea if she’s prominently on any of the bonus tracks too (and again, and extra concert disc is a bonus too). (But thanks!!) BTW, I’m 90% sure I do want to part with vols. 4–10 of the Masada discs. So what I need to do is focus on vols. 2-3, and really spin them 2 or 3 times each, and see if I really want to part with them too (which I might - could go either way). No need to try and convince me it’s ok if I keep 2-3. It really may be that I’m totally fine just keeping Alef only (and might not miss 2-3 at all). I hadn’t spun any of them in years, I’m realizing, and I’m sure when I did, I probably usually started with vol 1 - so that might be the one with the tunes I know best anyway. Part of me would love to set you up with all of the 9 volumes that you’re missing, so we’ll just have to see.

Afraid not, Fugi is one of the very few (less than 4, maybe less than 3?) pre-1978 Hino leader-dates I *don't* seem to have. Everything I have is on CD (amazingly, even I'm shocked at that), with one exception - Hino At Berlin Jazz Festival '71 (which I only have on a Catalyst LP). I even have one of the two weird movie soundtracks he did (the better one - I think I was able to sample both before I dropped mad money to get just the one). I can't quite recommend the entire soundtrack I do have - but one of the tracks (12 minutes, thankfully), is absolutely STUNNNNING, imho. It's like a track straight out of the Fille de Kilimanjaro sessions, or Miles in the Sky (though the first 2 minutes is a sedate bass-intro/solo) - but those last 10 minutes almost made the pricetag for the whole CD worth it. The whole flippin' thing is in Japanese though (meaning the packaging) - the title of the movie, and every track/song title, the players, all the liners, everything. FWIW, here's the discogs listing for it... 日野皓正クインテット* ‎– 白昼の襲撃 (Original Soundtrack)

Still tempting. I've never owned a stitch of FM's pre Buckingham/Nicks era output, and I've always had the vague sense that I probably know (or knew) 6-8 tunes from this era, from radio-play on a couple really good AOR stations I listened to growing up in St. Louis in the mid-80's (when I was in highschool), before "Classic Rock" became the stale radio-format it is today (and has been for 20-30 years). I also love Christine McVie's post-1975 FM output, and have always wondered if a comprehensive single-CD compilation of her earlier (pre-1975) material might go down nicely, probably an underappreciated part of her career (certainly underappreciated by me). I'm not sure I'd "love" this entire box set (certainly not day #1) -- but I'm leaning towards thinking half of it might easily rank as very solid "7/10" -- and that might well grow on me too, over a few years (some music is sneaky and almost insidious like that). And a "too-well"-curated "best of" from this era (especially if it was only one 80-minute CD), would probably omit a good hour or two worth of material that just barely didn't make that cut. It's not the best-known 35-minutes of tunes that interest me the most -- but rather then "next best" 2 hours that I wouldn't even necessarily be able to pick out without spinning the entire box 5 or 10 times (giving the material time to grow on me). I don't see any other way to discover that underrated "best 2 hours of pre-1975 FM" that hardly ever made it on the radio (ever), or only for the 5 or 10 years after it first came out (and just barely). Can you tell I'm trying to convince myself to get this?

RE: Hino's "duo record" with Mal - are you talking about Reminiscent Suite? Or is there some true "duo" record with just the two of them only (no other band) that's somehow never been on my radar all these (recent) years??!! Gosh, far as Hino's best album from the 70's goes, I'll have to give that some thought. I'm tempted to say the double studio-LP Into Eternity (CBS/Sony 1974). And(or) even though it's more understated, May Dance (Flying Disk/Inner City, 1977) with John Scofield, Ron Carter, and Tony Williams is really fantastic too (and only gets better and better with time). There's also the live date with Joe Henderson too (co-billed as Joe "and" Kikuchi/Hino, 3 leaders technically, I suppose). But really almost every one of Hino's 70's albums has one or sometimes two tracks that stand with the best of his entire output - and it's so hard to keep them all straight! Then again, so many of the tunes are fairly long, and (I have to admit), a little "sprawling" too. Into Eternity seems a little like Hino's Bitches Brew, in terms of scope and scale - and being his only studio double-LP (that I'm aware of), that might just give it the tiniest nudge above all the others. It's also a nice mix of free and less-free tunes (and playing) -- I mean, it's all fairly free, but only about 1/3rd of it is really fairly "out" (maybe just 1/4th even). If you cut the really "out" stuff, you'd be left with a single (long) CD's-worth of an album that might sit well (better) with more people -- and maybe THAT album (a slightly edited Into Eternity) might be my choice, if one of the criteria was also the ability of an album to be "eminently recomendable" as being an artist's highest achievement. I don't mind the "out" stuff, don't get me wrong, but I think the album - as an "album experience" - might be a little stronger without it. I also (often) feel like I could curate some stronger albums to represent Hino's output. For one, so damn many of them are like 32-34 minutes long. Hell, I think one of them is even slightly less than 30 minutes (one of those two albums that originally ONLY came out on reel-to-reel, that were later released on a 2CD set -- even though the total time of BOTH CD's (combined!) is like barely 63 minutes long!! - ugh, each CD in the set is barely 30 minutes). That, and Hino's penchant for starting quite a number of albums (side 1, track 1) with ballads - also leaves me wishing those albums had been sequenced differently. Not the end of the world, and in the end, I'm just thankful I've been able to track down so damn much of his output - regardless of how it was originally programmed on LP. But I think Hino could have benefited from someone like a Teo Macero, perhaps even going so far as to edit/cut-up his live recordings into stronger presentations.

Terumasa Hino is another trumpeter who's import to that decade seems pretty staggering to me. Easily one of my top-5 trumpeters of those who were notably active in the 1970s. I'm up to about 30 CD's worth (sideman dates included) - just between 1967-1977 (plus a handful after '77). Shaw is my #1 of course, but it's a pretty close tie between Tolliver and Hino after that (if only because Tolliver did relatively little sideman work, and Hino put out SO many albums in that timeframe. I guess Miles (clearly) fits in there too somewhere - but he sorta transcends the instrument in my mind, and I really think of him as being more of a jazz "auteur" that goes/went way beyond just his playing ability. Now Hino's output can be a little unruly and (arguably) a little bit unfocussed - but it also reminds me of Joe Henderson's entire Milestone output, in that the playing is all uniformly of such a high caliber (and I adore Henderson's Milestone stuff, and really all his 70's output/appearances). Hell, I suppose one could almost argue that Miles' 70's output is a little like that too (much as I love all of it). Hino was a monster in that decade from 1967-77, and it's really a shame that he isn't better known, imho.

I'm also toying with the idea of letting go of vols 2-3 too (in addition to 4-10). Probably less likely than me just parting with 4-10... BUT... since you've already got Alef (and that's the only one you have), there'd be some logic in that (i.e. you could scoop up the entire rest of the set all at once). Also, I'm seeing (had forgotten) that I got Dave Douglas to sign my copy of Alef (one of the very first concerts I saw in Lawrence, KS - soon after I moved to Kansas City (around 1995) -- so all the better synergy in terms of me parting with all of them but that one volume. I'll look through them all super carefully, but now I'm wondering if I actually bought all of these brand new (), since every one thus far seems to have its Obi, and I'm not seeing even one trace of a "used" price-tag I would have peeled off the jewel-box (usually leaving behind at least a trace of smudging). Don't hold me to this yet, but I think every one of these is mint (or mint-minus) - and the jewel boxes look pristine. (I'm as shocked as anyone at that.) I should be able to listen to all of them between today and Friday (while my wife is working in the office two days this week). Anyway, just an update as to where I'm at in my thinking. Same deal - whatever price we agree to, it can all go directly to Jim towards keeping this board up and running. I'm out of work, and not in a position to donate - and I'd been a little derelict in not donating as much as I probably should have the last few years - so this is another way for me to give back.

Woody’s playing and approach were really special. I’ve been so incredibly impressed with the multitude of live recordings we have by him, including so many in just the last couple years or so. While soloing especially, his technique and ideas were so often the pinnacle of skilled trumpet playing - but even more importantly, he practically always transcended the technical with well thought out solos that really went somewhere, and got there like few others. When push comes to shove, Woody is my #1 go-to on trumpet - or certainly the best 80% of his output, which was truly top drawer.

Far as the other non-job questions go, my wife and I don’t have any kids (we know our limits!), and I think(?) most schools around here are mostly only-line only, or a few are trying staggered shifts where kids are only in school in person ~2 days/week (but have the options for all on-line). Without kids, and there being 3 different ‘state’ jurisdictions (DC, VA, and MD), it’s a little hard to keep track of it all. And neither one of us have ever been tested. We both think there’s a 30%(?) chance we both got Covid back in late (iirc), because we both had mild symptoms and some odd headaches - but at that point, the idea of largely asymptotic carriers wasn’t even being talked about. I really have no idea if either of us got it, and I’m inclined to say we probably DIDN’T, but I can’t rule it out either. I have a cousin in Chicago, and she’s pretty she her husband got it (and he has asthma), and it kicked him pretty hard, though he was never hospitalized. Had him half on the ropes for a solid 10-11 days, but he wasn’t able to get tested. This was back in April, iirc. And my wife knows some people through work who have had relatives who have gotten it - though not people we know personally (so I guess that’s one degree of separation more than was asked about in the polling) - but my cousin’s husband certainly qualifies.

I am hoping to get back on at my museum, but probably in a different role. But my hunch is that they won’t be hiring back significant numbers until 2021. Due to unforeseen construction required by the Federal agency that maintains our building, our museum was closed to the public starting last November(!) - i.e. NO admissions or rental revenue for the 5 months prior to the pandemic shutdown. As a result, they had to cut 20% of the salaried staff at the end of January (so the financial picture wasn’t super rosy even at the beginning of the shutdown). I’m absolutely certain they’ll do whatever they have to, to emerge and continue on - but I suspect that will be with a bare minimum staff for another full year (just my wild guess). My position was eliminated, as were others back at the end of January - so if I can go back, I’m sure it will be in some other capacity (but probably lower on the totem pole too, c'est la vie). But given the overall employment picture here in DC, with tourism down to a bare trickle, that may be the situation for thousands of others here (and tens of thousands more generally, as long as we’re still in phase 2 lockdown). The National Gallery has a Billion(!) dollar endowment (iirc), and similarly the Smithsonian. Most other museums in DC, were operating in an entirely other world, in terms of reserves - being private entities unrelated to the Smithsonian (or National Gallery, which is similar, but distinct). When things turn around, the shift will be abrupt, with lots of hiring. Until then, I’m reading online that what few openings are getting 500 or more applications. I keep reading horror stories about people applying to 100 and even 200 jobs, without getting more than 1 or 2 interviews (or none). I have to confess to having zero stomach for trying fight that battle hundreds of times over (and failure after failure) - so I’m gonna wait a few more months and hopefully things will be better by then. And ideally I can get back on, (unfortunately more at the ground floor), with my old employer. Fingers crossed.

The Museum I worked for here in DC is still closed to the public, as are 95% of all DC museums. Two for-profit museums are open with limited visitors, as is the National Gallery (not part of the Smithsonian). The museum I worked for (for ~7 years, in Administration, in the office of the executive director), ultimately laid off about 90% of the entire staff. And the remaining literally 12-15 people are only working half-time (or less), or so I’ve heard through the grapevine. So I remain my wife’s personal chef (i.e. unemployed), as Washington DC remains on semi-lockdown (phase 2). Though the lockdown has gotten and kept our positivity rate down, currently around 2.6% last I heard (last week). Rates have been much higher in Northern Virginia and surrounding Maryland (close to 7% each, iirc), again, as of last week. To be honest, I haven’t even seriously looked at more than a handful of job possibilities, since the unemployment rate is sky high around here. I’d hoped to find something as a contact-tracer, but those jobs seem to have been filled early on by out-of-work healthcare workers (though that wasn’t a requirement), and lately they’ve had multilingual requirements added as well. Fortunately my wife’s Federal job is solid, and she’s working from home 4-5 days a week - only going into her offices downtown about 3-4 times per month. We haven’t eaten out even once since March (not even with all the outdoor seating that’s popped up out in front of many restaurants), though we do get takeout about twice a week. We rented a car and took a nice day-trip through Southern Maryland, following the Underground Railroad and an extensive mobile-phone narrated tour with over 100 stops that stretches up into Delaware and on to Philadelphia, though we only covered about the first 40 stops. Never went into any businesses, and took all our own meals. Only even remotely “contact”-related thing was when I stopped for gas, and to use the restrooms as two deserted Starbucks locations. Otherwise we were in the car the entire day, but it was nice to get out for a change, after 5 months nearly always in the same 800 city blocks (roughly 2 square miles). Not complaining though. We’ve been listening to lots more music than we have in years (over a decade), and enjoying TONS of documentaries on-line, and lots of PBS.

Wish somebody had told Miles that.

Back 15+ years I think I probably had good reason to be wary of giving out bank account access to a (then untested) online entity. For the last 5-10 years my worries have been more just a matter of being reasonably prudent. After all these years, I’ve never heard any horror stories about PayPal. And if I had a good reason/need to give them access to my bank account info, I’m sure I probably would be pretty ok with it now. Clearly million(s) of other users have (or some huge number, half-a-million at the very least) - with no ill effects. Never the less, absent a good reason to give out my bank account info to a 3rd party, I just haven’t - and don’t plan to, until I have some compelling need to. It’s one less password I have to be fanatically concerned about somebody breaking, with adverse results. By only having my credit card attached, their fraud protection and fraud coverage is an extra layer of protection between online criminals and my money. I also don’t pay for anything with my ATM card either (I never use it like a credit card, or enter my PIN in stores, or at gas station terminals). Can’t say I’ve never done it, but only rarely.

I listened to vols 4 & 5 last night, and my wife said she’d pay whatever your demands are, as long as you agree to take ALL of them. Not every track gave her the heeby-jeebies, but certainly the more out-leaning ones caused her to give me that look that said “how much more of this do I have to endure?!”. After the second disc got done, I proclaimed “only 5 hours left to go!”. That didn’t go over too well either.

I’ve never had any problems with PayPal in well over 15 years. That said, I’ve never given them my bank account number either (and have no plans to).

I’ll try and spin all 7 discs over the next week or two, and come to a decision. They came out in sets of 3 (with vol 4 being the odd man out). The packaging/graphics/spines, while all sympathetic across the entire series - also has some visual clues that ‘group’ 1-4, then 5-7, and finally 8-10. It’s a lovely design concept. THUS, I could keep just 1-3, and it’d still be a “complete” subset of the entire set. (Whew!! )

Chuck, be aware that website is pure bullshit. Anyone can plug quite a number of names into the URL, and it will generate a dynamic webpage - complete with a fake magazine cover - for the person you provide. Upthread I gave links with Herbie Hancock, Bill Clinton, and Taylor Swift, all with the same boilerplate text, and only the name and headline changed (and fake magazine cover). Here’s Tiger Woods... https://en.mediamass.net/people/tiger-woods/deathhoax.html Yesterday, less than an hour after Jack D’s Facebook post was reported in the r/jazz subreddit, I saw two(!) different posts with this same BS website with Gary Peacock’s name plugged in, one in another RIP thread, and the second one was in a bare post of it’s own (a separate thread), both from the same user. I reported both as “misinformation”, and replied to both pointing out the spurious nature of the website. Here’s one where I plugged in Celine Dion into the URL: https://en.mediamass.net/people/celine-dion/deathhoax.html Citing it means nothing.

That’s a nonsense site that I saw posted twice(!) on the reddit jazz sub, less than an hour after I first saw Jack D’s FB page link posted here. https://en.mediamass.net/people/herbie-hancock/deathhoax.html https://en.mediamass.net/people/bill-clinton/deathhoax.html https://en.mediamass.net/people/taylor-swift/deathhoax.html Doesn’t work for quite every name I’ve tried, but when you change the name in the URL, the website builds the page from scratch from that, including the phony magazine cover.

Feel free to temp me! You never know what I might find too good to pass up. If it’s any simpler, rather than typing up a big list, we could also chat by phone - if that’s less trouble. But let me decide for sure that I want to part with 4-10. I’ll probably go that way, but I ought to spin them all to be sure. I don’t load stuff on to hard drives, or burn CD’s - so I just need to be sure that 1-3 are enough to satiate my ongoing listening.

Tempting. I have the entire set, except for the last 2005 issue of (then) previously unreleased recordings. I wouldn’t want to part with all of them, but perhaps if I could keep just the first 3 volumes - that might make some sense (so logically, I’d want to part with vols. 4-10, a total of 7 CD’s). I might try and drive a semi-hard bargain (price-wise), but *NOT* a penny for myself -- and I’d ask that payment be given in full to the upkeep, maintenance and feeding of this board (as a direct contribution to Jim, to pay for his yearly costs of maintaining the Big O board). And I’d pay all the shipping costs out of my own pocket. Not 100% if I’m sure if I want to part with any of them, but lord knows I need to downsize my collection. Note: Vol. 4 is a shorter CD, about 20 minutes (iirc), which was a “bonus” volume that buyers could somehow buy at a discount with proof of purchase of all of the first 3 volumes (or something like that - I bought mine used, not via whatever that special offer was). Might take me a week to decide. I bought them all piecemeal over a few years, at least half of them used copies, all in great condition (but I’d need to look through them all to confirm).

Just stumbled on this mini-doc about Wallace...