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Just enjoyed this performance from the National Cathedral here in Washington. Merry Christmas!!

Definitely!!!

Hutch, do you have Larry Young’s Mother Ship? - on BN from 1969. If not, you need it! I’ve always likened it to being a cross between Unity and Don Cherry’s Complete Communion. It’s not hyperbole to say that Mother Ship changed my perspective on jazz organ nearly 100%. Before that I had’t heard much of any Big John Parton, and the only Larry Young I knew was Unity (and my focus way back then was more on Unity’s horn front line). Suffice to say that jazz organ meant “Jimmy Smith” (stylistically) for my first 10 years of listening. Then Mother Ship completely blew my mind when it first got it, circa 1998-99 iirc.

And low and behold, the entire album (Miles Mode) happens to have been uploaded to YouTube...

Last I looked, the Positivity Rate here in DC was somewhere around 5% -- vs. about 15% where my Dad lives (outside of St. Louis) -- vs. scary high MUCH higher rates in Iowa and one of the Dakotas (iirc, but I can't remember which one), Wisconsin, Michigan, you name it around the upper Midwest. How people can be traveling for Christmas in all this is absolutely beyond me. On a positive note, the Exec Director of the retirement home that my Dad's in (in Illinois, outside of St. Louis)... ...she thinks all her residents may be vaccinated in as little as 4-6 weeks. Fingers crossed she's right. I'll be glad when it's my wife's and my turn here in DC whenever that is (June, July, hopefully not any later than that)... ...but I will be absolutely thrilled when my Dad gets it. We haven't lost any real sleep over his situation, but half of that is our willfully convincing ourselves that the people where he lives are mostly taking every precaution. They've only had once case of COVID all year (a resident who got it gosh knows where outside where my Dad lives), but they immediately quarantined her, and stopped the virus in its tracks. Every nursing home and retirement center for 50 miles in any direction (of where my Dad is) has had a dozen or more cases, along with deaths (some a dozen or more) -- but the home where my Dad is has just had that ONE case, and that's it. The Exec Director there is absolutely hell on wheels, and I wouldn't want to cross her in an alley late at night. Tenacious doesn't even cover half of it. She has been fanatical about keeping everyone in her care, and all her employees safe -- and impressing upon her employees that they have to be vigilant in the personal lives. I'm sure there have been some lapses here and there (it's not like all her employees are living in a bubble at the retirement home)... ...but the results speaks for itself.

Ain't that the truth (talking to myself, at least). Big box sets especially -- a few of which I can't remember having spun much from in 5 years or more -- some 10 years even.

And my all-time favorite Art Blakey leader-dates are the two released instances of the Billy Harper / Bill Hardman version of the Jazz Measengers (from 1967)... ...so what does that tell you about my opinion?

Oh, I’m not assuming he worked as a leader a lot. 1) Ideally I’d love to have a live document of a Joe leader-date from the 60’s (just dreaming). 2) Absent that, Joe did record a LOT in the 60’s — what, 35+ dates as a sideman? — so I presume he played a lot live as a sideman in the 60’s. I’m just surprised so (relatively) few documents of him live (as a sideman) have ever surfaced from the 60’s. Wouldn’t he have gigged with Lee Morgan, or Freddie Hubbard, or Blue Mitchell? Or maybe a time or few with McCoy Tyner? Surely as a working musician, he had to have had a variety of gigs to pay the bills, no? Just seems like someone as well-documented on such a wide variety of studio dates (by, what? - close to 15 other leaders’ dates), would seemed to have avoided having been recorded live by all but a few times (in that decade).

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. Have to confess to not having ever picked that one up yet, but will eventually I imagine. But what I’m really looking for is a live leader-date by Joe in the 60’s. As it stands, all there really is live with Joe (in the 60’s) are 2 or maybe 3 short Horace Silver live dates circa 1966 (iirc), plus that one with/by Nat Adderly in ‘67, and one or two Thad/Mel big band things from ‘69 (plus the Uptown Dorham thing from ‘63). A bit, sure, but given how much Joe recorded in the 60’s (incl. tons of sideman work), I would have thought a few more live documents would have surfaced.

Not remembering that one at all. Can anyone come up with a link?

Long as we’re going down memory lane, I’m suddenly and distinctly remembering the endless verbal battles on the old BNBB (and some on AAJ too, iirc) — between the more open-minded listeners (many of whom migrated here)... ...and a certain few people who were absolute die-hard Wynton devotees / more musically-conservative listeners (some ‘fanatically’ so). I honesty never knew who was who back then, but am I remembering the username “Hardbop” correctly?

I would have thought that the relative “commercial viability” of Joe Henderson would have resulted in at least some sort of lost recordings of him being released over the last 20 years. But as far as I’m remembering, I think almost the only truly then ‘NEW’ Joe Henderson that’s been released in close to 2 decades(!) is that one Erich Kleinschuster led session for Austrian(?) Radio in 1968 (first issued in 2005). And before that, the Charlie Haden pianoless trio with Joe at Montreal (1989), released in 2003 on Verve. Is there anything else I’m forgetting by Joe — or prominently with Joe — released since 2000?

I’m pretty sure I mentioned it more than once on the board (and in detail) — but here’s one such instance... I’m glad I cut-n-pasted the info directly into that old thread, because it appears the source (link) I found it at 7 years ago... is no longer active. (I also vaguely remember later finding something with track-times maybe? - or else I’m just dreaming I did). Just for good measure, here it is again... =============== 17 September 1966 Elvin Jones-Joe Henderson Quartet Performer(s): Jones, Elvin (drums); Henderson, Joe (tenor saxophone); Moore, Don (bass); Hutcherson, Bobby (vibraphone) Inner Urge Isotope Shade of Jade ===============

Thanks Michael! I *am* totally aware of this, and somewhere around here is a thread that I myself created ~10-12 years ago, where I came up with the 3 tune names, and the length of time of the performance too, iirc. I also do have the one track (which is pretty fantastic), and I’m *thrilled* to hear that the whole thing is being considered for release. Thank you again!

Of that, I had little doubt. That's one of the big reasons -- despite the repetition of tracks -- that I'd be temped if the price were half-decent. I'd pay considerably more (per disc) for a good document of Lee's band with Billy Harper, but Benny Maupin's tenor work around this time was nothing to sneeze at one bit. It's a shame that almost no NEW live Joe Henderson has ever surfaced from the mid-to-late 60's, other than those two discs from the mid 90's (the ones with Joe and the Wynton Kelly trio from the Left Bank in '68). I'd really give my eye's teeth for some more Joe Henderson, contemporaneous to either his stint with BN or Milestone even.

Oh jeez, that Street Team nonsense. If I had a nickel for every jazz fan I met out on the street, just call me jolly old St. Nickelless.

I’m assuming the Fresh Sound is from another venue entirely, and the sound quality - while ok - isn’t as good as the Blue Note. If I do eventually get the 8cd, I’d have no need for the Fresh Sound (even if it was from a different venue entirely) — except for one little hitch, that being *IF* a live version of “The Chief” is only represented on the Fresh Sound (and nowhere to be found on the 8cd).

I’m sort of in the same boat, similar outlook. But another way I’m looking at it is that I could dump the Fresh Sounds discs (I’ve just got burns of those, albeit with color scans of the covers that a buddy of mine made for me - that I wouldn’t have bothered with, but he insisted). But I’ll have to look and see if “The Chief” appeared in any of the unreleased BN material — I’m guessing not, or otherwise it would have been included in the 3cd set — so maybe I’d have keep the FS burns after all, just for that. $75 would be a lot easier to justify, than $128. I’d also probably prefer cardboard sleeves for each disk, so the whole thing doesn’t take up any more space than the 3cd set — just package them all in a little box like the re-reissue of the Woody Shaw CBS stuff (the one years after the Mosaic). Over $100, and I’m sure I’d sleep on it for a few years until I could find a cheaper used copy, or else do without. But $75 I probably couldn’t resist for too long.

I’d be tempted by a price point of about $80 or so ($10/disc) — or maybe even $88 ($11/disc) But a full Mosaic-like price of $16/disc (i.e. $128 total)... would be a big “no” for me, I’m afraid. I’ve had the 3 CD set for 20-ish years, and I’m not sure I really need all that much more, though I do love Lee’s playing in his later years. A set with minimalistic packaging wouldn’t bother me, and a corresponding lower price would seem appropriate.

Either I daydreamed this once, but wasn’t there a European-based BN board for a short while? — same sort of forum-based software. I vaguely remember it being up within a year or so after the demise of the main (old) BNBB, but perhaps it was slightly later — or even preceded the demise of the BNBB (for all I can remember). But it didn’t last and certainly never took off. (Or again, was this just some fever dream of mine once?)

I’d consider getting this, if it were on CD. That short Miles at Newport set that Wayne got stuck in traffic for (in July(?) 1969), is pretty interesting, and I only wish it were a full hour, as opposed to the short 25-30 minute set that is is (the Miles I’m referring to, that is).

That one John Dennis trio album with Mingus and Max is his only leader-date (clearly), but what is the original source of the 4(?) lovely solo piano tracks tacked on the end of the OJC reissue (the one on CD) - ?? I’m not seeing any obvious previous release with them on Discogs (i.e. were they “previously unreleased” at the time of that OJC disc release?) (I don’t have that Dennis CD yet, but plan to track one down soon - I’m sure the liners cover it, if someone could indulge me? - thank you!). I’m seeing he was a sideman on a handful of other dates, but am I right in assuming none of them show off his contrapuntal dexterity anywhere near as well as most of the things on that OJC disc?

Enjoying this 1999 episode of Piano Jazz this morning, which is still streamable from a 2015 rebroadcast. https://www.npr.org/2015/04/24/401945018/stanley-cowell-on-piano-jazz

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