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Glad you liked it, Mike and Adrian! I ran it as a two disc version (a whopping 160 minutes) on another forum several months ago and thought I'd condense, skip some tracks, replace one... of course there's stuff that is missing at the later end (Brötzmann, Schlippenbach, Carl etc.) but I didn't want it to get too multi-faceted, style-wise (and with Petrowsky, Gumpert and Zerbe, there's some avantgarde in here, and lesser-known stuff, too, at that).

Vienna is definitely too far away, alas... his most recent CD, "The Story of Cathy and Me", was very good!

Finished the Rich - very nice set! Also very good liners, with an unusually long introduction.

Thanks brownie! As usual, I was more interested in reactions and opinions and thoughts than in who could pin down which player... I *was* happy though, that Benny Bailey was recognized!

You're very welcome! Your replies showed great... uhn, dedication... you really *did* listen! Mangelsdorff is - of course! - the man in German jazz! His two albums "Tension" and "Now Jazz Ramwong" are full of wonderful, fresh music. You might also enjoy the entire album by Joki Freund (it was reissued in 2010).

The slightly annoying thing about the second is its inclusion of several (two or even three) tracks from Dusko Goykovich's "Swinging Macedonia", which is (rather easily, I should think) available on Enja. Other than that, it's a pretty great follow-up!

DL for me, too, please! Can't promise I'll post, but I'll try my best!

Please do report, Chuck! I'm going to catch Matana Roberts again tomorrow - third time overall, second time since March, first time solo... looking forward very much to that!

very nice one!

Into disc four of the Rich by now... I dig!

here's one:

Buddy Rich... wonderful! About time I started listening to this one!

Those are highly recommended for those who weren't around when they appeared and were discussed here! There must be some earlier threads... if it has to be just one, go for "Forum West", it's excellent, track by track!

Happy Birthday, Lazaro! :party:

(And I probably ignored it since they're a US operation?)

If by "out there now" you're generally speaking (and not about "Jazz Heritage" which I know nothing of), I don't think so. Some CDs by Soulnote/Blacksaint are out there (ones I got - just some months before the boxes appeared - include "Seagulls of Kristiansund" by Mal Waldron and "Misterioso" by Paul Motian). Haven't ever seen a CDR, but I'd be very careful about ordering any Black Saint/Soul Notes (I think a friend actually got a CDR of "Misterioso"), even more so since amazon isn't always correct in their descriptions (I bought two effin' CDR copies of a Larry Young disc because both times it just said "Audio CD" in the description... still got to return one of 'em).

09 - BALLADE (Hubert Katzenbeier) 4:02 Hubert Katzenbeier: Hubert Katzenbeier (tb), Konrad Körner (fl), Hans Schätzke (b), Wolfgang Winkler (d) Amiga-Studio Berlin, October/November 1972 (Friedhelm Schönfeld/Hubert Katzenbeier: "Jazz", Amiga 8 55 307) 10 - THREE JAZZ MOODS (Albert Mangelsdorff) 6:13 Albert Mangelsdorff Quintett: Albert Mangelsdorff (tb), Günther Kronberg (as), Heinz Sauer (ts), Günter Lenz (b), Ralf Hübner (d) Walldorf Tonstudio, Frankfurt am Main, June 6 & 7, 1964 ("Now Jazz Ramwong", CBS 62398, LP; reissues: Amiga 8 50 041, LP; L+R LR41007, LP; L+R CDLR71001, CD; "Abstractions", Wewerka/INMUS 20001, CD, 2000, contains a significantly longer version of the title "Blue Fanfare") 11 - ARABIA ROCK (Joachim Kühn) 7:11 Rolf & Joachim Kühn: Rolf Kühn (cl), Joachim Kühn (p), Günter Lenz (b), Ralf Hübner (d) Trixi Studios, Munich, October 1966 ("Avantgarde", Wewerka/INMUS 20022, CD, 2000) 12 - MY LITTLE DARLING (Joe Haider) 9:24 Joe Haider Trio: Joe Haier (p), Isla Eckinger (b), Pierre Favre (d, perc) Horst Jankowski Studio, Stuttgart, October 12, 1971 ("Katzenvilla", Intercord 28772-2U, LP; also on: Ego 4013, LP; CD: JHM Records 3622, 2000) 13 - LADEGÄSTE (Wauer-Petrowsky) 4:38 Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky Trio & Günter Wauer: Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky (ss), Klaus Koch (b), Günter Sommer (d, perc), Hans-Günter Wauer (Ladegast-Orgel) Live, Dom zu Merseburg, September 27, 1977 ("Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky", Amiga 8 55 621, LP) 14 - NUR ALS GAST? (Eberhard Weber) 5:36 Ensemble Studio 4: Hans-Joachim Graswurm (t, flh), Hubert Katzenbeier (tb), Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky (as, ldr, arr), Eberhard Weise (p), Klaus Koch (b), Wolfgang Winkler (d) Berlin, April 19, 1969 ("Jazz mit dem Ensemble Studio 4", Amiga 8 55 187, LP) 15 - METAMPORPHOSEN III (Hannes Zerbe, nach "Eisengiesserei" von Alexander Wassiljewitsch Mossolow) 4:21 (solos: Breuker, Mayes) Hannes Zerbe Blechband: Harry Kuhn, Reiner Auerbach (t), Jochen Gleichmann (t, flh), Wolfgang Stahl, Reiner Hoffmann, Egon Hellrung (frh, Jagdjorn), Martin Mayes (frh), Hermann Anders, Bernd Swoboda (tb), Dietrich Unkrodt, Pinguin Moschner (tuba), Willem Breuker (ss, as, cl, bcl), Manfred Hering (as), Helmut Frosthoff (ss, as), Manfred Schulze (bari, cl), Hannes Zerbe (p, arr), Dieter Keitel (d) Amiga-Studio, Berlin, January 9-15, 1984 ("Hannes Zerbe Blechband", Amiga 8 56 043, LP) 16 - AUS TEUTSCHEN LANDE / ES FIEL EIN REIF IN DER FRÜHLINGSNACH (trad., arr. Ulrich Gumpert) 2:29 Ulrich Gumpert Jazz Werkstatt Orchester: Jochen Gleichmann, Klaus Richter (tp), Conny Bauer, Sieghart Schubert (tb), Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky (ss), Manfred Hering (as), Helmut Forsthoff (ts), Manfred Schulze (bari), Ulrich Gumpert (elp), Gert Lübke, Christoph Niemann (b), Günter Sommer, Wolfgang Winkler (d) Kammerspiele des Deutschen Theaters, Berlin, April 4, 1972 (Conzert „Jazz in der Kammer Nr. 48“) ("Retrospektive“, Amiga 8 55 549, LP) note: probably this is a shortened/edited performance *) these tracks can also be found on: "Jazz in Deutschland - Aus dem Amiga-Archiv, 1947-1965" (Hansa Musik/BMG 74321433802, 5CD, 1996) further detail on this box to be found here: http://www.ostbeat.de/JazzInDeutschland.htm Here's the cover of that box:

So, there we go... the idea was to present jazz from Germany, recorded in the sixties mostly, with some later tracks included. There are a few big names in here - Albert Mangelsdorff, Klaus Doldinger, the Kühn brothers (Rolf and Joachim), but the secret star here was alto saxophonist Ernst-Ludwig "Luten" Petrowsky, a musician I first heard about ten years ago when I discovered the amazing Zentralquartett (w/Ulrich Gumpert, Conrad Bauer and Günter "Baby" Sommer). He pops up here playing hardbop, freebop, free jazz, and improvising on soprano with a pipe organ... Some of the albums are classics, most notably of course the Mangelsdorff one, but "Yogi Jazz" was another big discovery for me. So was "Katzenvilla", the free album by Joe Haider with the rhythm section that accompanied Mal Waldron on ECM's very first release (Isla Eckinger and Pierre Favre). Other cuts come from compilations and are played by bands I know nothing about... Here's a site dedicated to Helmut Brandt, the amazing baritone player on #5: http://www.jazzprofessional.com/memorial/helmut_brandt.htm 01 - BABS (Werner Pfüller) 2:14 Werner Pfüller Quintett: Werner Pfüller (t), Helmut Meyenberg (ts), Harry Nicolai (p), Hans-Joachim Scheuner (b), Wolfgang Henschel (d) Berlin, October 18, 1961 (Amiga 5 50 143, 7" EP; also on: "Jazz", Amiga 850 009, LP; "Jazz auf Amiga 1947-1962 5", Amiga 850 856, LP)* 02 - OPUS 90 (Günter Fuhlisch) 3:21 Rolf Kühn feat. Klaus Doldinger: Rolf Kühn (cl), Klaus Doldinger (ts), Ingfried Hoffmann (org), Herman Schoonderwalt (b), Cees See (d) Studio Hamburg, Oktober 1-3, 1962 ("Rolf Kühn feat. Klaus Doldinger", Brunswick 87 911, LP; CD: Universal, 2009, "Most Perfect Sound Edition") 03 - DER BLUES IST DER KÖNIG (Klaus Lenz) 2:11 Quintett 61: Klaus Lenz (t, ldr), Peter Baptist (tb), Heinz Schröter (ts), Gert Lübke (b), Udo Reichel (d) Berlin, April 3, 1962 (Amiga 5 50 189, 7" EP; also on: "Modern Jazz Studio Nr. 1", Amiga 850 023, LP)* 04 - BLUES-MARCH (Manfred Schulze) 8:03 (solos: Petrowsky, Katzenbeier, Schulze, Lenz, Winkler/Sommer) Modern Jazz Big Band 65: Klaus Lenz (t, ldr), Günter Gocht, Heinz Becker, Bojidar Hristoff, Herbert Rößner (t), Hubert Katzenbeier, Karl-Heinz Fabian, Peter Baptist, Ali Schilling (tb), Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky (as, ts), Klaus Smesny (as), Heinz Schröter, Jens Glevke (ts), Manfred Schulze (bari, arr), Armin Batist (p), Ulrich Türkowsky, Horst Krüger (b), Günter "Baby" Sommer, Wolfgang Winkler (d) Live, Theater der Freundschaft, Berlin, January 22, 1965 ("Modern Jazz Big Band 65 mit Manfred Krug", Amiga 8 50 057, LP)* 05 - PONT À MOUSSON (Brandt-Ohlsen) 3:32 Helmut Brandt Combo: Conny Jackel (t), Helmut Brandt (bari), Ludwig Ebert (p), Klaus Gernhuber (b), Hans-Dieter Taubert (d) Berlin, February 28, 1957 (Amiga 5 50 132, 7" EP; Amiga 159596[?], split 7" EP, first half by Gustav Brom)* 06 - EINE LAPPALIE (Walther) 2:33 Manfred Ludwig-Sextett: Heinz Becker (t), Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky (as), Wolf Hudalla (bari), Siegfried Labrot (p), Ulli Türkowsky (b), Wolfgang Winkler (d) Berlin, December 2, 1964 ("Jazz mit Dorothy Ellison und dem Manfred Ludwig-Sextett", Amiga 8 50 047, LP) 07 - CARAVAN (Juan Tizol-Duke Ellington) 9:11 Joki Freund: Joki Freund (ss,arr), Emil Mangelsdorff (fl), Wolfgang Dauner (p), Eberhard Weber (b), Karl Theodor Geier (b), Peter Baumeister (d) Walldorf Tonstudio, Frankfurt am Main, November 20, 1963 ("Yogi Jazz", CBS BPG62273, LP; also on: L+R 41.008, LP, 1981; CD: L+R 710320, 2008) note: Weber has the high/solo voice, Geier the bottom one 08 - TRAUMA (Joe Haider) 4:29 Joe Haider & His Orchestra: Benny Bailey, Karl Barthelmes (t), Rudi Fuessers, Horst Gmeinwieser, Hermann Breuer (tb), Olaf Kübler (ss, ts), Hans Hermann (as, ts), Joe Haider (p), unknown (g), Isla Eckinger (b), Kurt Bong (d) Union und Trixi Studios, Munich, November 1968 (Joe Haider / Karel Velebny: "Fascination", Wewerka INMUS 20020, CD, 2000) note: prob. "Hans Hermann" indicates Heinz von Hermann *) these tracks can also be found on: "Jazz in Deutschland - Aus dem Amiga-Archiv, 1947-1965" (Hansa Musik/BMG 74321433802, 5CD, 1996) further detail on this box to be found here: http://www.ostbeat.de/JazzInDeutschland.htm

Happy Birthday, Cary!

CD1 - first time I dig into this, it's been lying around for... oh well, I daren't say!

Belated best wishes, Joe!

Yesterday was the hottest day ever in April... in the sun, it was easily 30°C, and in the evening, you could walk around in a t-shirt until after midnight. Crazy. No one tell me climate is healthy and sane and climate change not happening.

Thanks for your thoughts, Jeff! I'm well aware that no one would like all tunes here (well, unless that someone would be me, I guess, but as I'm me already, who else could possibly be me? ). The whole thing was kind of an experiment... It's a soprano on "Caravan", and there's no Harriott nor Blount on here. No VAO either, Spontooneous!

WHOAH! Paal Nilssen-Love is one bad m-f! Holy shit! His playing was amazing, very, very intense, loosening up, freeing all rhythms, yet at the same time with lots of drive and momentum. Vandermark started on tenor, then they picked up for real when he went on with clarinet and baritone, then back to tenor it was... and they added an encore without losing any momentum - yet it was quiet, lyrical, with VDMK on clarinet again (the instrument I prefer hearing him on). Fantastic set! McCaslin's band... oh well... Uri Caine on fender and some cheapo stuff w/mac-book, Tim Lefebvre on electric bass, and Rudy Royston on drums. They kind of wanted to play an uninterrupted set, but applause didn't quite let them. Certainly all four of them are very good from a technical point of view, but well... McCaslin doesn't seem to know where he wants the music to go, Royston beats the sh*t out of his drums, but it's all too sly, too... you know, the youngish crowd loved how hip it was, but compared to Nilssen-Love it was super-tame and cute. Lefebvre was definitely the best of them, but he didn't get dirty that often, alas. Caine had some fine spots, but was mostly as boring as I expected (tell me off for that, if you want). McCaslin has a good sound on tenor and amazing technique, but he's not at a point where he has any direction with his own music. He has some sly ideas, does a short groove-thing, lets the band take over, then does his boring virtuoso soloing, very far removed from the original groove pattern, and often - worst in a much-too-long unaccompanied solo towards the end of the set - resembling a mix of etudes and transpositions straight out of some classical learning book. Too bad, as there was loads of musical ability up there, but no idea what to do with it. But then who am I to say so? The four seem to have enjoyed themselves, smiling at each other, happy about that clever little trick the other guy just pulled... it's just that to me, it got old before it even really started.

Sorry if I made you think there was even more newly discoverer/released Louis aroud!