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I've gone round and round on this before, but as a layman I've always relied on Karl Popper's view that science is in the business of disproving theories, not proving them. Through this ongoing process of falsification, knowledge advances. As you say, a little off topic. But Popper's paradigm does tend to make one a little more hesitant to accept certain judgments about cause and effect, for example. Popper's method may be sensible *within* science (natural, exact science, to a lesser extent also humanities). What Fleck does is analyze how theories get constructed - an aspect that sort of turns science back on its feet, as I see it. Science never happens to be exclusively about theories, science is never free from social, political, you name it, influences. That's what Fleck brings back in - and that's what I think needs to be reflected.

Also, to get the whole story of "Coltrane on Prestige", the info for one more Concord/Prestige box has to be added: Miles Davis - The Legendary Prestige Quintet Sessions - the albums contained are: - Miles - Cookin' with Miles Davis Quintet - Relaxin' with Miles Davis Quintet - Workin' with Miles Davis Quintet - Steamin' with Miles Davis Quintet Plus, completing the two sessions from which albums #2-5 of the above list were taken, the track 'Round Midnight, originally on "Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants". Furthermore, on disc 4 of the Miles box, there are a few really cool live dates, released officially for the first time on this box. (Addition: the Legacy Edition of Miles' first Columbia album, "Round About Midnight", adds the Newport '55 "comeback" version of Monk's 'Round Midnight and one more very cool - Gene Norman presented/produced - live session that was never officially released before).

I got his from Wikipedia: W/o reading the man's actual writings, I would take this to mean that A) "facts" are one thing, "truth" something else altogether; and B) at some point, what we learn ends up being more than want we already know can handle. I'd certainly agree with both. But even if the whole "brain thing" is just another first step on the way to another obsolescence, I do think it moves us ahead nevertheless. But amybe not. Time will ultimately tell. But not off-topic at all, I'd say. This thread is probably more about our reactions to the alleged offense than anything else, and a big part of these reactions almost have to bounce off the "how can anybody do such a thing?" impulse, which is a more than fair question with no, at this point, equally fair answers. So, yeah, quite relevant, I'd think. Guess you'd have to dig into Fleck a little bit deeper than wiki, but for a first impression, it seems to be fair enough. The main point is something that may read kind of deconstructionalist in this prohibitively shortened form: facts are (but) a social construct. (And my personal addition to your distinction: truth will remain untold, anyway.) And you make a very valid point in your final paragraph, indeed - that's why this whole thing is so darn disturbing.

I'll have a drink with you... Don't quite get what this is about, but albums such as "Coltrane", "Traneing In", "Soultrane", "Lush Life", "Settin' the Pace", "Standard Coltrane", "Stardust", "Bahia", "The Believer", "Black Pearls" or "The Last Trane" (all in the box you're talking of) seem to be Coltrane albums to me, no dispute needed. The sidmen stuff and the jam sessions are on diffent boxes ("Side Steps" and "Interplay). Guess some of the programming decisions there could be challenged, but all in all, these three boxes are wonderful! Ah, Hans was faster than me But he's inaccurate as regards the Draper album: one cut was done without Trane and is - alas - missing from the respective box.

Yes, I do believe in science - but as a historian (well, wannabee maybe, who knows) I also know about the relativity of science. Not sure you can get Ludwik Fleck in English, but his "Entstehung und Entwicklung einer wissenschaftlichen Tatsache" (1935) is most fascinating in that respect - and will, I think, in its gist, always remain valid. But this is leading off-topic.

honestly, I think all that brain stuff is the new religion and will pass... it's a huge hype and we may never find any answers to the questions.

Plenty of thoughtful posts in here... still, this whole thing has been haunting me for days and days without me finding any words. I guess I can kind of dig the concept of unconditional forgiveness - even though I'm an agnostic or whatever (do I really know? do I really care?). Either way, this is all endlessly sickening.

Happy Birthday!

Can they do substantially different/better from "Impressions: The Verve Jazz Sides"? I never got the VME edition... but also have the rather nice and moody "Willow Weep for Me" (which came out in the LPR series).

Wow, congrats, Allen! And since I've not said so elsewhere: good to have you back!

In fact the packaging is mostly quite nice I find - although how you have to squeeze in the CDs in those 7"-boxes is a nuisance. But the whole design and the booklet parts of the sets, I enjoy them. The First Impulse is really wonderful (and sized rougly at 10") - I was quite amazed really, when I got it! I forgot, I also have the complete JB at the Garden set - another winner!

Hm, guess I got too much of it already and quite some doesn't really interest me that much. Still need "Further Adventures" though... And I really don't see why so many people seem so pissed about Hip-O, regarding packaging and prices. Sure, they're not cheap, but they're not that expensive either (not from a European point of view... and no, it doesn't just feel like that now that the Swiss franc is that overpriced, it always felt like that). I quite like the sets I have (the Oscar, Ella and Nat Cole and Getz ones, the Creed Taylor/Impulse set, as well as the JB singles and most recently - and as of yet unplayed - the Tammi Terrell).

Yeah, I've had it for a few months and it's pretty darn good! Too band most of the Ray Charles "reissues" Concord is doing are MP3-only (can you call this reissues at all? They don't feel like that to me... an "issue" I want to be able to hold in my hands...)

Indeed! #15 is "In My Old Virginia Home (On the River Nile)" - have the disc in my hands as I'm typing this (a co-worker got it... and don't worry, he's the only co-worker ever that I met so far that's into jazz...) There are 16 tracks on the dsics, according the facsimiles of the two fold-outs, "Soul Trombone" had 6 tracks and "Cabin in the Sky" had then. So without yet having aural evidence, it seems to be there! For further information, check the site of Universal Germany here:http://www.jazzecho.de/musik/musikproduktdetail/product/176340/soul-trombone-cabin-in-the-sky/

The front cover, yes, but did you see one or read my detailed description above? I was very positively surprised!

I think it is, but I only looked at the facsimiles of the LP covers in the booklet. There are a few tracks (two, I think?) with rather weak singing on the second album... but other than that, I thought it was pretty much ok. Too bad about the Fuller, wasn't aware of that!

I think you meant Shirley Scott. But on the topic of Rhoda (and organists w/big band), have you heard the record she did with Thad & Mel? Yes, sure I meant Shirley, sorry! Must still be under the impression of that great night with Rhoda last November... just had that CD in my hands yesterday that she signed for me back then!

I've got the Rollins, Ayler, Sanders, Rhoda Scott (why were those tracks with Nelson omitted from the Mosaic?) and the Shepp. Some of these are silly, the Ayler mostly so, as it would have been a good idea to combine "The Last Album" with "Music Is the Healing Force of the Universe", as they were done during the same sessions. But then I say the Alice C. is silly... as "Universal Consiousness" was part of the LPR series (as was "Music Is the Healing Force")... anyway, more releases are being promised (in the booklet of the Rollins where due to the second album not having had a fold-out cover, there are two empty pages they used to print the listing and a note at the end that says "to be continued"). I'll skip the Hawkins, Tyner, Ellington and Blakey as I have all of them. Have none of the Jamal and Jackson but half of th Elvin (Dear John C) and three quarters of the Szabo (on the old Master Edition digipack of "The Sorcerer"), but I guess I'll grab that because the music is darn good! Oh, and the covers are very nicely done inside! These are 12-page booklets, so you get the crappy outside cover (p.1 and p.12) and you get the session info/tracklists (p.2 and p.11), and in between you get facsimiles of the foldout covers (p. 3 is the front of the first album, p.4/5 the inside, p.6 the back, same for the second album with p.7, p.8/9 and p.10). I didn't expect that after seeing the crappy front covers!

some previous discussion here:

Same here, except I got the music when it first came out (on vinyl). Bought the first three LPs and skipped the fourth one! This seems to be the general consensus (that CD4 isn't that interesting), which is probably why it didn't circulate as much and is the most expensive now... Yeah but disc 4 has Jimmy Smith and Lou Donaldson plus some Kenny Burrell. I do know from reading about this concert, Alfred Lion wanted Hank Mobley to play, but Hank was no longer playing. He was in the audience. I wonder how hard it must have been for him seeing all his colleagues up on stage and he couldn’t be a part of the celebration. Not on the vinyl.. it has Charles Lloyd and this guitar player.... Jordan? What's that "that a friend" has? Inofficial? Check AMG for the contents of the four albums (CDs - same as on my LPs).

Just dug out my LPs - the tracklists on the CDs are identical, indeed. Not sure how the whole thing compares to the four discs mentioned in the first post. But CD and LP releases seem to be 100% same.

your jokes are fun... but can I please get my copy signed by Wynetone?

Got your package today, Eric - thanks a lot!

Yeah, I have "Chitinous" as released in 1971 in my notes, too - fantastic album, just played it (the Dutton Vocalion CD) again recently. A classic in my house!

There was a little "tree" with this going on here, a while ago... but in the meantime I snatched the four LPs - single LPs, no box or anything, but I got them all together in very good (mint or whatever them vnylists call it) shape for a good price. Haven't really played them all yet, though...