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Sounds good to me too, Jim. Let's meet ahead of time.

Thanks Greg. I know exactly where that's at. Thought it was a movie theatre.

Freddie Redd, "Shades of Redd" did nothing for me. I like these kinds of honest dissing threads. Acts as a counterweight to all the passed around on reissues.

Can you tell me where the Michigan theatre is Greg? Thanks

Yeah, that's the one with Freddie Hubbard, right? That's a great tune. Haven't had much of a chance to really go through Sam Rivers yet. Been too busy listening to Organissimo's cd and watching them live. Been listening to "Decoder" a bunch after hearing them blow the top off it live in Ann Arbor. Sorry Sam Rivers... B)

No wonder the owner of the Bird of Paradise didn't know what I was talking about when I asked him when Charles Lloyd was due in. I even asked the usher how much they would be charging and he said "normally $20-30 for national acts," but he was unaware that Charles Lloyd was due in. Cripes, Joe!! :rsmile:

Thanks Joe!! I'm THERE!!! err, where's the Michigan theatre?

That's as good a guideline as can be formulated, I think. I humbly disagree. Identifying as "loot" only things acquired after 1970, basically favors the "old world countries" - those who were strong enough to loot prior to 1970 . This only launders the illegal acquisitions of such powers as the US, Britain, France, Russia etc. Legitimizing the pillage they've done in the past. Another fine example of discriminating "the south" over "the north". I think the criteria whether or not to return a looted object should be substantial with factors such as the importance of the relics to the looted nation, the ability of such countries to maintain and preserve such a relic should it be returned, etc. You're right, Barak, that the UNESCO ruling would favor the big stable powers prior to 1970. No doubt about it. I guess that having lived in Third World countries and seeing the widespread venality and corruption of its civil servants has made me very cynical about it all. In many cases, the venal civil servants were involved in allowing the shipment of antiquities out to begin with. At some point, I'm sure these nations will get their act together. Problem with allowing all these things to return is that it would empty the world's museums!! It would also seem that the museums have looked after these things for so long that perhaps they have developed a real right of ownership. It's a difficult issue. :rsly:

Really enjoyed that, David. Thanks also.

That's as good a guideline as can be formulated, I think. I think the Thai frieze (which was actually a Khmer temple in Thailand) held at the Arts Institute of Chicago was obtained prior to 1970, but I am not really sure about it. I just know the Thais made a huge stink and the museum gave up rather easily. Count me as one who believes that museums take care of this stuff better than the host countries. The very fact that these pieces become available to the museums to begin with is proof that the host sites are ungoverned and chaotic. In Cambodia's case, and endless guerilla war was being waged amidst many antiquity sites.

Nice letter Rooster. Agree with your points made, though I'm in the Berigan camp in assuming the guy is probably gay. Miss Prudence was hardly prudent in her response.

Hi Guys, Just wanted to thank you for the great show last night. You guys were ON for sure. Really liked those beautiful ballads, "Lifewish," "Tenderly," and that other one by Larry Hinds? (forgot the song name.) I turned to Ruby and said (of Randy's cymbal work) "sounds like raindrops." Beautiful stuff. On the faster tracks, "Decoder" was obviously the big highlight. When you guys play your own songs, you dig in and you all go into your own worlds connected to each other it seems only by your ears! "Soul Woman" kicked. Good guitar work there, Joe. That other Larry Young tune that I was trying to identify actually is your own song with Larry Young in the title. I have the cd out in the car, so I don't have the names in front of me. "Clap Yo Hands" sounds great live without the sax. Actually, I would like to hear your fourth partner live someday. Funny how artists perfect their recorded songs while playing live. Your version of "Decoder" has gotten even better. I'm sure you already recognize that. "Mellow Mood" is a great tune of course. Probably won't be able to make it this evening. Blow the place out for me! Thanks!

That's a horror story, Leeway. How come I got mine from the same place a couple days ago when I had preordered mine as well? Doesn't make sense. Sorry to hear about that.

I'd like to pose a question for everyone: you mention tomb raiders; what do you guys think about antiquities held in museums which are now viewed as having been looted from archaeological sites? This is a difficult issue, in my opinion, because there are points to be made on both sides. On the one hand, you may have a Third World country such as Cambodia, rich in antiquities, which eventually gets its act together and then feels it necessary to go round the various art museums in the world and claim that they all belong back in the country. The may claim that the richer nations were taking advantage of them when the country was in turmoil or at war. The museums could reply that they were purchased from local dealers in Cambodia or Thailand and that they were in effect "rescuing" the art from an unstable environment. Both sides have good arguments. I was in Thailand in the 1980s when the Thai government made a big stink over a frieze which was missing from an old temple in the bushes; it had turned up at the Art Institute of Chicago, simply one of the best art museums in the world. A big diplomatic stink took place and the frieze was returned even though the art museum had bought it from a local dealer. In other words, Thai people sell their own heritage then demand it back!! I cannot remember the details, which would be important, such as how long was the frieze sitting in the museum before it was identified by the Thais? I mean should there be a time limit to this sort of thing--a kind of statue of limitations. Personally, I had a difficult time feeling any sympathy towards the Thai department of culture, since the Thais had been systematically looting Burma and Cambodia of their antiquities and selling them to foreign dealers and collectors. For many years, you could walk into the modern River City Antiques Center and spot the head of a Cambodian deity--a large imposing stone head which had clearly come from the causeway of Angkor Thom in Cambodia. Any amateur could easily identify it from well-known pictures. There had been an awful lot of smuggling going on during those years in Cambodia, both of gemstones and antiquities. I suppose in those cases then the argument is clear cut that these things should be returned, but with the passing of much time I think it isn't so clear; such as the case of the Elgin Marbles. Should Britain be compelled to return them to Greece? Napoleon filled the Louvre with Egyptian goodies during his time there. (He's lucky Nelson didn't sink all those ships on their way back to France!! ) But the question is: should museums generally be compelled to return antiquities, or should there be some kind of time period? This is not easy to answer, I think.

I find it exciting that unissued sessions are still being located today. Heightens our feelings of discovery. I would feel miserable, I think, if I knew that I had everything that Blue Note recorded. There's always got to be something left behind; something still to look forward to. So far this session is my favorite of the Conns. Still going through them however, and I only heard "Mothership" once. Can't wait to get back to it!

I love the bonus cuts on the Conn "Sonic Boom." Hard bop at its best! Did anyone happen to notice a lot of horn distortion to some of the cuts? Seems like the remastering didn't go well, or perhaps this is another example of tape deterioration?

Still working my way through them. Boy, that's a lot of music. "Sonic Boom" is terrific hard bop. Love the extra titles at the end. That last song on the cd got me off my chair and I started this quirky shaking motion which cannot quite be called "dancing!" It was kind of a rhythmic trancelike state. Man, that's good music!! It was late at night and I fell asleep in the middle of "Passing Ships." Liked what I heard so far. Love those low reeds!! Got to play through Fuschia as well. The Rouse is the weakest of the Conns so far, but I like it. After I get through Hill, I'll go back to "Mother Ship." Man, this is good music all the way around. One other comment: some rough mastering spots on the bonus cuts of "Sonic Boom." I'll bring this up on the "Sonic Boom" thread.

I used to have "Black Saint" and gave it to a friend. Boy, was that dumb! I've never found it again since.

Gotta admit that I tend to favor the ballad pieces on the cd, such as "Lifewish" and "PreDawn Rain." Of course, I remember Randy's beautiful drumming on "Lifewish" in Ann Arbor when you guys played that. Good compositions Jim and Joe! Will be coming down to BOP tomorrow (Friday.) Brian is coming with a friend separately. I'm still trying to drum up some people. People have dropped out in the last hour. Have to check with my sister. My wife says she doesn't like the organ (sorry Jim!--greatest jazz instrument too, but you can't convert the heathen! ) There are a couple of fellahs who will be coming once they shut down their Allied record exchange store at 9:30. We won't be large in number but our voices will be HEARD!! Sorry, but I don't think I can make the Saturday session, so save all the quiche for that date We'll be expecting some heavy greaze and some soulful ballads on Friday! Can't wait!

Got my Conns today and am trying to get through them. Will post my impressions as I listen to them. Aside from "Sonic Boom," I have never heard any of these before. Larry Young, "Mothership" kicks butt!! So far, this is my favorite. Mobley's "Flip" is terrific as well; and I even like Dizzy Reece's contributions. Quickly played through Sam Rivers and will have to go through it again slowly. Haven't yet heard Rouse or Hill or Morgan. Like the remasterings so far. Quality stuff, my friends.

I like Reuben Wilson, but I don't think I've heard his recent stuff. I love "Love Bug" and "Blue Mode," and I've got a session he did with Grant Green Jr. that's really good, but I forgot the name. I don't rate him up there with the organ giants, but "Love Bug" really kicks. Great lineup.

Even though it takes some time for us dial up users to download these pictures, it was worth the time. Great pics!

No it's not! It's 'American Football.' Football is a game played by manly types using their feet alone*. a round ball, a proper pair of nets, oranges at half time and...most importantly... NO BODY ARMOUR AND CROMWELLIAN FACE MASKS!!!! *goalie and throw-ins excepted. Not to knock European football, but American football is probably one of the greatest sports. It's hard to understand at the beginning but you find yourself still learning more about it after years and years. It's a deeply complex and highly technical game yet it is also very atavistic and brutal and graceful. What a game!!

Nice to see you posting here, Matt. People: buy from this guy with confidence! Paul

Supposedly these guys go through college. I guess all those courses of basketweaving pay off later on in life.