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Have you done the Purple Chick thing yet? No idea if they're still available as commonly as they used to be, but that's a truly exemplary series as far as bootlegs go. I guess they also did a Beach Boy series, and there was a parallel project...some color frog, Blue Frog? that offered all kinds of non-musical Beatles items. I took one of John and Ringo have a stoned improv session, piano and "vocals" and it was so...meaningless that I stopped there. I mean, greatness at work is one thing, off-hours stoned rambling is too, uh... "personal" for me to too much of a fuck about. But obviously not everybody feels that way! Something like Clifford Brown and his wife reading the news is sweet, but that's jsut one item, not an entire subset of collectability.

In this case you do...and pay out the ass, in fact. I hope they're paying Sonny really well for this. And if it truly is going to be "available at streaming outlets" and that does not mean only iTunes, and if I can download the four selections (2 of which are chatter) at a "normal" per track price point, then I will get what I need, forget about the book, and be done with that. But in a sane and sensible world, Concord would have just put out an "expanded edition" CD of the Alternate Takes LP, put in a booklet like this one, and charged, like, $35.00 for it. I'd be all over that. But no, you got these goddam fetishists (apparently there really WAS as "Stereo Records" version of this http://www.rootsvinylguide.com/ebay_items/sonny-rollins-way-out-west-in-stereo-lp-near-mint-original-stereo-press , and OOOOH, YOU GET THAT FUCKING LABEL, HOW COOL IS THAT?!?!?!?!?) trying to tell me that this is worth eighty fucking dollars, and I'm telling them no fucking way, you guys can go fuck your own ass with the eighty dollars of mine that you're NOT getting, see how hip THAT is. Fucking assholes...they can give me on and they'll still be assholes.

Yeah, there's a reason why most of that "deep" session stuff comes out via bootleg first, if ever. But there's also a reason why people go there. I think I stopped with Beatles Purple Chick after Sgt. Pepper. But if I got in the mood again, I could see finishing it out. The White Album sessions I can see being endlessly fascinating or wholly tedious. But that's Purple Chick, and nobody's asking me for crazyass money to hear it, and because of that, "official" releases of it with cleaned up sound for studio chatter and track laying...just not worth it, imo, unless you get something REALLY special/interesting, and I think they took care of most of that on the Anthologies.

Best Christmas Movie ever, except maybe...what?

Ah! https://www.discogs.com/Hadley-Caliman-Hadley-Caliman/release/2199020 I was so taken by Iapetus for so long that this one (which I first heard, like 10 years ago) was a bit underwhelming to me. Now I must reconsider!

I don't see how anybody cannot get a kick out of "Billy The Mountain"?

y'all need to man up and go find a reel-to-reel player and fix it up. If you know the right guy/gal, it won't cost much at all. Then go to all the Half-Prices and double your existing record collection for a buck or two (literally, almost) Just remember, tape stretches if not put away correctly.

I bought the Contemporary alternate takes LP as soon as it came out, and for sure I can see why the original choices were made, but the original is so deeply ingrained in me that the different takes made me sit up and take notice every second of the way. It's not so much that the outtakes were "inferior" as much as it was that the originally released takes were "perfect". I don't think I'd have the same passion for all the alternate takes of, say, a Horace Silver date. But for me, Sonny is one of those guys who truly improvises. Iget emptionally and intellectually invested in people who do that, and when you know somebody's really pulling it out "in the moment", hey, I'll listen, and more than once. Funny thing about Rollins, for people who discovered his RCA work in the CD era, they got a totally different picture than did people who had engaged before then. That French 2 LP set of outtakes became part of the Rollins "canon" in the CD era. Before that, that stuff was more or less "unknown". Same thing to a lesser degree with Atlantic Coltrane, especially the Alternate takes lp with Cedar playing Giant steps, my god, hearing that for the first time was like, have I had a stoke or something wtf is THIS? You know, there are some things that are sooo imprinted in your mind that you just come to accept that way as being "it". The when you hear "it" only it's not THAT....WHOA! + like, WHOA, I'm still not over this one...

I like complete session documents. Then again, I have a sense of how a recording session can go in real time, so maybe that's why I don't get immediately bored by that. The Sinatra boots of Reprise session tapes are a total gas in that regard. I've actually had Sinatra skeptics listen to them and become convinced that Sinatra really was all the musician he was claimed to be just from hearing how he worked a session. That cat heard everything everybody did and wasn't bashful about getting corrections made, especially with himself. The Ring-A-Ding-Ding session in particularly amazing in that regard. I don't know that I need to hear the session tapes of every damn record ever made, but for special record and/or special people, it pleases me to get a better sense of the "real time" music that brought forth the record which is almost never a document of the "real time" music played, it's selected and presented excerpts. As "product", that's completely legit. As "honesty" though, it's at best, incomplete, and on occasion dishonest (as documentation, not as product). My "complaint" with the Bird Savoy set was that they stopped the recording as soon as the take broke down. If there had been tape, they might have just let it run. I'd love to hear what happened after one take broke down and before the next one began. This last Bird With Strings thing hac some of those discussions, and once or twice is enough, but still, I enjoy it those few times and am glad to have them "on file". That's just me, though. I know plenty of people who would not share this notion for anything.

so what is the "B" stand for?

Not going to pay for a download, no. Thge only time I pay for a download is when I get a jones for some pop song that I get a bug up my ass about. NEver a whole album, NEVER. I will buy a CD version of this packaged if it is priced at what I feel is a non-sucker price, which for me is at or under 50 bucks, give or take a dollar or two, for the book, some kind of comparable boxing, and good old-fashioned regular CDs. But if that doesn't come to pass, oh well. I'm not going to let people like this turn my religion into a tool for extortion. Never did it, never will.

I'd gladly but a set like this, but not w/o digital, and definitely not at that price. And I am one of the more affectional Rollins-ites around. But I am not a sucker.

No, it's not. I play my 45s on a crappy stereo with bullshit speakers. Close enough. But I'll be damned if i get excited about digital versions of 45 mixes. Unless there's edits, BFD most of the time.

Now...if they could do VR of a jazzclub with a jukbox, and really do it right, then I'd say yeah, let's do this. But then you gotta trust the programmers to talk to somebody besides Wynton-types, and see, that' where it all goes bad, People should just buy a jukebox, fix it up, and fill it with 45s. That's the sensible way to approach 45s these days.

$80 is not going to get me to bite at any of this. For the "deluxe" packaging (which I may very well find ephemeral, who knows?) plus the downloads ecod, I'm paying at most 50. AT MOST. I mean, I am not the target market for this package, but I could be reeled in at the right price point. But 80 bucks, that's definitely "fuck you, chumps" territory.

And honestly, putting 45 mixes on CDs is maybe well-intentioned (maybe), but fruitless, really. I heard those 45s as 45s on realass jukeboxes, and it's not a replicable experience without both software and firmware of the same nature. Jukebox sound was unique, and those hotass 45 masterings don't work w/out applicable analog playback, be it AM radio or jukebox, or even a home 45 record player. But for full effect, get a jukebox, and listen to an AM radio jazz station before you get to the bar that has it.

The lack of a download cod(e) is what sticks in my craw. I mean, ok, you've constructed a nice (I guess) "object". but its musical contents are mostly already available, and if you expect me, at my age, to pay that kind of money to play the records once to get the bits that have not been onto a CD or some other digital storage medium, then hahaha, Give me a download coed, drop the price down to 45 or so, and reel me in. But the conditions as currently laid out - no deal.

I don't see how anybody can get Gershwin either wrong or right, it seems like it was made to be whatever anybody needed it to be, I think. He had talent, he had ambition, but I don't think he had too much of a core/essence/whatever other than "hey, look at me do this...and if you don't like THAT, then hey, look at me do THIS...and if you... A very projectional output, imo, and in that sense, quintessentially "American", which is perhaps not a compliment.

yep

Deal-breaker, no code for cod, no way out, suckers who bite this overweighed fest.

I am not buying this on LP just to get an enclosure, a booklet, 2 pieces of chatter, and two previously unavailable alternates...unless it's at a price point that sounds right for that little bit of extra, and that doesn't seem likely. They should at least include a download cod with this. No mention of that, right? I love Sonny Rollins, and this is one of my most favorite albums, period, but I know when I'm getting played by the fetishist industry. Oh hell no, $70+? https://www.amazon.com/Way-Out-West-LP-Deluxe/dp/B0742VSHG9/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1513723811&sr=8-1&keywords=Way+Out+West+%28Deluxe+Edition%29 Fuck these assholes. I'll find some other way.

Yeah, but that Decca set sounds old, tired, and a shade muffled.

I don't give a lip about bit-rates or whatever, I just want these unreleased things on something besides LP. The book looks fun, too.

I like the Warwick record good enough, actually. The TCB overdubs are indeed curious, but I might have found their source. It's a longshot, but nobody else has any answers. Can't find the post, it's recent-ish, but it basically involves some bootlegger whose trademark was adding string/string-synth overdubs (as well as other remixing trickery) and then releasing the results as "new recordings". The odds of him getting to the Warwick catalog, I don't know, but it's the first documentation of such a practice I've come across. Anybody with any better a trail, please come forth!