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Seriously? That's kinda entry-level sarcasm, am I wrong to expect better from you? (and feel free to repay this compliment after reading this post) Don't ignore the oblivious - groups of people (both words plural) expressed displeasure with the song. Is that not their right? Stations heard them, and then made a business decision. Is that not their right? And now there's a debate, and some stations are reconsidering, while some are standing pat. How is any of this totalitarian? "Ban" is one of those emo panicwords that strikes fear in the hearts of the already fearful (there are many words, and many fearful people, you can scare damn near anybody about something, for me it's bone fractures and fried liver). People like Frank "It Can't Happen Here" Zappa (and sure it can) kinda burned it into everybody's heads and then Tipper Gore played right into his hand (but really, was the Parental Warning label such a bad idea, really? Obsolete as hell now, but you know, if I'm buying a record for a 9 year old or something, I think it's fair to let me know that I shouldn't just consume blindly) . What has happened and is happening here is no need to fear the brown-shirts. "Louie Louie" got banned, "Negro music" got banned" Beatles records got fucking burned, and wow, here they all still are, right where the indignant idiots left them, only more ensconced. This is America! "Radical feminist narrative that has been gaining mainstream acceptance recently: that modern America is a “rape culture” saturated with misogynistic violence." Think about that - first of all just what the fuck is a "radical feminist" anyway? That phrase means nothing to me. And what does it say that this so-called narrative of thier's is supposedly "gaining mainstream acceptance"? Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, there's a lot of people stepping back, taking a look around, and thinking, whoa, maybe something to that, let's recalculate and see where we go? People putting ideas out, people considering them and then acting on them, conversations had, decisions made, controversies ensue, evolution occurs (or doesn't), how the fuck any of that lead to totalitarianism? You know what totalitarianism looks like to me? None of that happening. Ever. Stay fluid. Yeah, well, you know, shit like that doesn't matter. It's only actual penatrative rape that can legitimately piss a good girl off, and even then, help is as nearby as the nearest community college GAS appreciation class. Or the nearest porn outlet. Either way, GET OVER IT AND GET BACK TO WORK. Fellas, am I: right, or am I right?

From the former: These alarming headlines were typical of the coverage of last week’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report on sexual and intimate violence in the United States. The CDC study—the second in two years—seems to support a radical feminist narrative that has been gaining mainstream attention recently: that modern America is a “rape culture” saturated with misogynistic violence. Ok, using a purported agenda to immediately discredit data, I'm turning off right away, not a credible conversation for me. Debate the merits of the facts on the merits of the facts, don't these emo fear words on me. From the latter: Still, the CDC numbers are a reminder of how many sexual assaults and rapes go unreported. The total number of rapes reported to police in 2011 was 83,425—far lower than either the NCVS or CDC numbers. If the 2011 CDC estimate—almost two million people cases—all fit the legal definition of rape, that would mean only 4 percent were reported to the police. Even excluding alcohol- and drug-facilitated rapes, the 716,000 counts of completed or attempted penetration recorded by the CDC still add up to more than eight times the cases recorded by the FBI and almost three times as many as the Department of Justice. While finding an indisputable number of rape victims seems to be a Holy Grail, the CDC report certainly reveals that the most widely accepted estimates aren’t high enough. Personally, I find an argument over rape statistics a shameful diversionary tactic. Rape is not the whole of inapproriate non-concensual sexually aggressive behavior. Hell, I was a young guy once, and I'm ashamed but not unwilling to admit that there were times when I pushed the envelope just to see how much "no" was in that no. This was common behavior in those days, and that was before we all had access to free porn to program us into having entitlement expectations as our baseline. Did I ever rape anybody? No, not even almost. But did I act like a jerk and only give up after treating women who had, in retrospect, no intent of ever saying yes? Yes, I did. And I raised both a son and a daughter with the benefit of the lessons of my errors to DO NOT DO THAT TO A WOMAN. and DO NOT LET A GUY DO THAT TO YOU. They seem to have listened, so although I cannot redo the past, at least I can do my part to improve the future. So yeah, there's pain here, in this debate. Real pain that people would just as soon not have to confront on the public airways during a holiday season. That's not statistic-dependent for validation, that's just basic humanity. I'm not comprehending how what is inarguably a voluntary ban by independent entities lines up in any way with "totalitarian". Those two words, "voluntary" and "totalitarian" are fundamentally incomparable. Show me where any of these stations were forced against their will to make this decision. They heard from people, yes, and they no doubt felt some pressure, but that is how shit is supposed to work. There is no forcing going on, and definitely no totalitarianism. Shit is working exactly how it's supposed to work in a free market. It's sloppy as hell, but true freedom is at least as often as it's not. If you're afraid of totalitarianism, look elsewhere. You'll not have too difficult time finding real things of that nature to worry about.

I don't have perfect pitch but do have semi-good reflexes, which is jut to say that it sounds to me like he starts out playing a half-step above the key, resolves and the immediately moves to the trione ("flatted fifth") chord which then resolves to the expected IV chord. So if you're in Bb, it would be B Bb| E | Eb.... // // | //// |//// etc Not sure that's looking right on screen, and not 100% that's exactly what's happening, but again, that's what it sounds like to me just by ear. You're right to hear it as "out", especially for its time (remember, though, that a lot of stuff happened during the Recording Ban that made bebop sound even more radical than it already was to consumer ears), but it's really a rather uniquely phrased (and yes to the Monk influence!) use of what were then becoming popular applications of then-"modern" harmonic ideas: Playing a half step above the home key. This works theoretically, because if you're in, say Bb, the V chord is going to be F, and you can always replace one dominant with its equivalent a tritone away (to explain this further, we'd have to look at common tones and resolution expectations...yuck!), but that's a fancy way of saying that if you're going to play a figure from an F7 over a Bb chord, no biggie, because it has the ear expecting it to resolve anyway. So you can just as well play a figure from a B7 over a Bb chord, and although it might be a little more jarring to the expectations, it's ok, because there's still the implicit resolution expectation in place. The use of the tritone substitution going into the IV chord. The same principles as above apply here, jsut with slightly different functionality. If you're in Bb, your IV chord is going to be Eb. At the same time, the V of the IV chord (Bb) is the same as the tonic, Bb. So to do a tritone sub of that Bb give you an E, which resolves quite naturally to the Eb. And easier way to put it is that the closest gravity points in ANY chord are those a half-step away. Conventional diatonic harmony likes to run it as the circle of fifths, but imo, that's a bit of taming of the beast, so to speak, Half-tones away are the strongest pull, Also, coincidentally both of these maths are used, albeit for a whole different impact, in a BIG lot of straight-up blues environments. Those cats knew how to cut to the chase, Sorry if that's too inside baseball.

I think I heard this in Home Depot the other night. Had no idea who it was!

I advise anybody wants to put their hands on my playlist to think twice - you don't know where that thing has been!

I have seen the word infinitely more times than I have seen it actually occur. Again, actual bans are more complicated and far-reaching than anything that has happened here. I mean, if a station does not have the right to select both what they play and do not play, that would trouble me a helluva lot more than this. That would be an actually imposed loss of choice, Imposed on a commercial property. Utilizing public property. These stations were not forced to not play the song, they chose not to. Not complicated.

Oh, one more thing - the airways are still - for the time being - consider public, correct? Does "public" come with a limited definition? So if some of the public has a concern, how are they not allowed to voice it, and how are the guardians of this public trust (if I am remembering my childhood propaganda training correctly) not correct in listening to those concerns and proceeding as they best see fit? Nor am I.

Who the fuck is "we"? Define that in specific terms, please? And also tell me how "they" are - or can - coming for your playlist? Are you unable to hear this song anytime you want to? Slippery slope my ass, this is more like a stooge slipping on a banana peel. Ok, please - explain to me why you are conflating a dialogue between business and their consumers with "banning". That's absurd. If we want to talk about who's trying to "ban" something, there are indeed wingnuts all around us, but what would a true ban look like? FCC rulings, removal of all product in all forms, even into search and seize all physical and digital copies, no availability on Amazon, eBay, YouTube. etc. That is so NOT going to happen. And some radio stations deciding that they don't want to air it in response to consumer feedback (and then getting some more consumer feedback and deciding they WILL air it) is not going to make it happen. What worries me more than this is the freaking out going on that some people are expressing preference that are different from their own and are then actually being listened to. WOW - other people DO have a voice, I'm SCARED! People not wanting to hear something is not going to prevent people who DO want to hear it from hearing it. That's some kind of psycho paranoia. Look at the logistics and then LOL at that notion.

wow, didn't see THAT one coming!!!!! so NOW can we all chillax in front of the fire with a drink? And a fine jazz piano moods record?

Maybe it was just in my world, but Crimson was very much a "cult" band until they reformed with Adrian Belew, and even then, it's not like they started having Top 40 hits. But that's been a good-to-great band for a long time As far as "Prog"...this wasn't a label that I knew in the early 70s. What it was called then was "Art Rock" or on occasion, "Classical Rock". Again, though, maybe that was just in my world. And the whole "Canterbury" thing, that was DEEP cult favorites. The guy who introduced me to it and all like it lovingly referred to it as "non-glandular music". Will there be a place in this HOF (one that does indeed have actual spaces!) for anything non-glandular?

I want the Albert Ammons rookie card.

I guess this device is audio only, correct? Just asking, because I have TuneIn on my Roku, and I can do a visual searct for both podcasts and broadcast. From my work PC, I can't tell if this link is live or not, but here is, supposedly. a list of TuneIn jazz offerings: https://tunein.com/radio/Jazz-Music-c57944/ Here's a list of euro offerings: http://www.listenlive.eu/jazz.html I can't find a similar, handy list of other non-Euro stations, but I know they are out there.

the epilogue... “Yes, baby—it is cold outside.” https://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/daily-cartoon/wednesday-december-19th-baby-its-cold-outside

What's on WFIU2? I'm still not used to the dividing up of the broadcast TV frequencies not translating to cable (neither right nor wrong necessarily, jsut weird to be in a place where my non-cable friends (fiend, probably) are talking about shit they're watching and I don't even have access to it. Now, radio is doing it, whoa, I guess I just wasn't made for these times.

I like the spider option, but if you could make it spiderMan, it could get licensed by Marvel and you'd guarantee that it would be heard in perpetuity. The neighbors might think - Baby, it's bad out there Say, is that SPIDERMAN! I said it was bad out there! Oh, so YOU'RE the director of programming at KNTU!

You have to take shit off the radio. If you don't, you'll run out of places for new stuff. Until the nest Genuine Classic I'll take more Mariah Carey & Darlene Love - true Christmas songs, not appropriated "winter/snow/cold" songs, (now THERE's a genuine, proven "slippery slope" already happening, in fact already happened) in exchange for no "Baby, It's Cold Outside", I'd make that deal in a second without even factoring in for less chance of causing discomfort (and oh yeah, feeling discomfort and being offended are SO not the same thing). Throw in some Louis to sweeten the pot (no pun intended!). Or, you know, we can make it real up in here... Ever hear "Strokin'" on the general audience radio? Why is that?

The aforementioned site with the full footage is revelatory in so many ways. There were multiple takes, some of them apparently shot with the intent of being used for editing, as "punch-ins". There are shots that linger on one player for a good while, including the tuba player. And there's a priceless sequence where the trumpet player REALLY flubs his breaks and then makes a face of self-disgust when the take ends. 1929, remember, no pantomiming, this stuff was all live, all of it. So, while there were moments of "improvisation", there was just as much that stayed the same. This does not strike me odd at all. The rise of improvisation being of paramount importance took a long time developing. The more I watch it, the more I love that clarinetist. That guy was a PRO!

oh,, that door got opened a looooong time ago. Nobody's really walked all the way through it yet, but the door has been open for a good while now. It got opened with Billie Holiday, too, we should not engage with Billie Holiday because she accepted and encouraged her victimhood. Sane people feel the draft from that open door, and do what sane people usually do - just move a foot or so away and that takes care of that. And fortunately, most people are sane like that and don't go doing stupid shit like being angry that some people point out that Miles certainly was was a pretty bad actor towards any number of women, because that should be pointed out in the interest of truth. Same thing with Billie, it's not cool to glorify her victimhood. But obviously there's more facts than just those, ther's a lot of facts, many of them cotradictory, but the truth of humanity is usually full of contradictory facts. Facts should not be an enemy of truth (or is that another one of those quaint 20th Century analog assumptions?). And truthfully, the line between a draft and fresh air in a stuffy room is in the eye of each individual's thermostat. But you don't let one stupidity take over in response to another one. You stay sane. Or not. But if you don't, you're only adding to the momentum of the overall insanity. That might actually work, depending on who the lawyer is. Don Draper as the guy, Gloria Allred as his attorney, it could be epic and/or, what's the buzzword of the century...transformational. Yeah, it could be transformational. Dude - it's up to you to save the world from itself. Kindly do the needful.

And speaking of facts and such, somebody explain to me why all the "winter" and "snow" songs only get played at Christmas time. "Baby It's Cold Outside" is no more a "Christmas song" than is "Jingle Bells", "Winter Wonderland", "Sleigh Ride", the list goes on. Of course, if current climate trends continue, in a generation or two, the whole issue may be moot. They'll either be played year-round as nostalgia or else lost forever becasue they don't make sense at all. No, you haven't but the thread has. Threads are people too, you know.

Of course it is (and with bonus tracks, no less!): https://www.amazon.com/Gunfighter-Ballads-Trail-Songs-Robbins/dp/B0000296J9/ref=pd_sbs_15_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0000296J9&pd_rd_r=0fcc3b43-03d9-11e9-8b23-7f522031bab0&pd_rd_w=xxNjN&pd_rd_wg=Blovw&pf_rd_p=7d5d9c3c-5e01-44ac-97fd-261afd40b865&pf_rd_r=BMM8GVBTP0AM64TTQ1G8&psc=1&refRID=BMM8GVBTP0AM64TTQ1G8 Slippery slope, my ass. Let's do fact-based reality instead.

Ok, but - do those songs get played on the radio regularly and any without context being offered? Of course not, and you know why they don't - because as Orson Welles proved with "War Of The Worlds", people just don't pay attention much, and don't really process the out-of-the-ordinary" particularly well, they just go with their gut and shut off their brain. If "Sail Away" was on regular rotation on an oldies station, would that really be ok? If you know it's a Randy Newman song, you know what it means. But if you're some typical low-information listener, what are you going to think, and in return, what are you going to think about people who are getting riled up about it? "Baby It's Cold Outside" as we know it is fine. But not everybody knows it that way now. I'll put it this way - if my 13 year old daughter (she's a lot older than that now, but she was 13 once) was getting hit on by all kinds of creeps, and the song came on the radio, I would not feel good about her listening to that, and would dare not tell her to just ignore it, it's all in good fun if she asked do we have to listen to that. And if we were riding around in the car with her and her boyfriend of questionable character of a "boy friend" both in the backseat in the dark, I'm changing the station. Because that's a dad move, and I am The Dad. It's not complicated. And neither is this, really. Nothing has been "banned", nothing WILL be banned as long as this remain America and not "America". If you want it, you can still get it. So would you try to educate them about the necessity of Martini & Rossi being in the forefront of their consciousness, decline the invitation altogether, or act like everything;'s ok when you know it's not? Pick one, because those are about all the legal options you have. Of course, you could put something in their drink without telling them about it, but that's not a legit move at all, correct?

Where there's something in that drink that shouldn't be for purposes that are illegal. Of course, "we" know that's not what it's about, but not everybody does, or will. I'm not down with "banning" anything. But what is being banned here , exactly? Nothing that I can tell. Stations are responding to the current environment, they are exercising their prerogative, and here come people talking about jihad and 1984 and all this stupid shit that they are afraid of. I'm not saying that there aren't groups working for that, but it's a huge step from here to there, people a long way to go. When a "prominent political figure" wonders if tweaking him on SNL should even be legal or not, hey, good luck on that. Slippery slope my ass. I've heard that about integration, voting rights, women voting (yes, even long after it was made legal", just all sorts of shit that people are afraid of, not because of logic, but because of simple internal fear/paranoia. There's this fear that "progress" is going to render "me" obsolete (and if I have nothing to offer other than being a placeholder for something there's no longer a place for, then I will be made obsolete, that's not a threat, though, that's a fact). But I'll posit that a reactionary push-back against organic progress is dangerous, because sanity leaves the room. Just as it does when another group of lunatics insist that their way must be the only way. When people talk, let them talk. An ask is not a demand, and a demand is under no obligation to be met. But let them talk, no matter what they say.