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I'm having trouble finding a streaming, non-YouTube version of A Final Cut for Orson. It's not on Netflix, at least not that I can find. Any leads/suggestions?

Exactly! Let the marketplace of ideas work the same as any other marketplace. And also note that the people who have a personal version have less need for a public version. At some point, the possibility of a win-win becomes plausible. I do find it interesting, though, that of all the versions available, it's Dean Martin that the desiring public is turning to. I still think that Ray Charles/Betty Carter rule this song. Nothing against Dean, but other than "Memories are Made Of This", "Everybody Loves Somebody Sometimes", and "Houston", his are my go-to versions for nothing. As for "That's Amore", I'll pass on anybody's version!

Thanks for that info! I really don't see that being Chick Webb. It also seems to me that the clarinet player is a true delight!

Sugar Ray Robinson Archie Moore (who played bass)

Good for them. Crazy people have a right to advocate for an idea just as much as anybody. They're free people too. And I have the right to resist. I'm free to. But the debate occurs because we are all free people, and free people seldom live a life free of friction. In the meantime, I can still listen to this song and Wagner, correct? Playing simultaneously if desired, right? Oh wow, the index is telling me that this thread is HOT! So don't worry, all the ice and snow will soon melt and the song will go away, just like Frosty (the snowman, not the root beer).

If it is mind-fucking, it's free market mind-fucking, no different than a car commercial. Only this time the product is a thought. And it's most assuredly not being produced by the state. Free people have ideas, free people speak, and no, nobody has a right to be protected from those expressions. They are, however, free to ignore them and to accept the personal responsibility of walking away from things they don't care to hear. And you and I are both free to continue enjoying the song while at the same time freely acknowledging that through, hopefully, no fault of our own individually, some people can't. And then get over it, even if others can't. C'est la vie libre. I will agree that some jazz is art. Some, not all, probably very little when you consider all the jazz played over time over the world. Very little. That's not a problem for me, though. Just as I can enjoy crap, I can enjoy craft and not feel the need to justify it as anything else, including, especially including, "art". My issue is with using this song as a starting point for a feared attack on "art" in general. I mean, really, it's a song that makes some people uncomfortable for what are fairly simple and legitimate reasons and they speak out. All of a sudden, the government takes over and bans Wagner. Freedom destroyed! It's a pop song, it's clever, and yes, "hey what's in this drink" is certainly not going to mean the same thing to all people. Chillax on the paranoia and let this work itself out.

In general, I would accept that argument. Craft alone is not art, although it is something to be respected.

Oh, it seems to me like it would be about the marketplace working as intended - a business hears the same thing from enough of their consumers that they respond. And then they hear from some of their other customers. They'll figure it out. 1984 is about statist mindfucks. This "controversy" is merely about the marketplace functioning in a fluid, and more importantly, responsive, manner. Statism is nowhere in the picture, not even lurking in the imaginary shadows. Ultimately this is all market-driven. Whatever nut-clinching "agendas" are feared here, it's still the marketplace responding to consumer demand. If it plays out that it costs more than it's worth, don't worry, they'll put it back. and if it doesn't play out like that, oh well, people spoke and the marketplace listened. Why is it that free market capitalism is good until it's not? Is it only supposed to work for some people?

There's always WBGO, but my roku gets streaming from both them + something called WBGO2 that tends to have more interesting (for me) programming. Maybe somebody who lives in that market can explain the difference? Ok, here we go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WBGO WBGO also broadcasts in HD Radio and transmits a separate jazz format, the "Jazz Bee" on its HD2 channel. Both stations offer good programming, but the HD station tends to feature recent releases by newer artists of various degrees of non-bebop derived jazz.

That's right women, don't expect to be listened to. It's your job to listen to us.

First of all, that song is not "art". It's a functional pop song. Better than some, not nearly as good as others that really are (see Loesser's own work and compare) Second of all, of course nothing makes it better. But among things that also don't make it better is scolding those who have the pain, scolding them for not "getting" the song in it's original context, like they're stupid for calling out that hey, this song is kinda creepy now, never mind context, our discomfort is of now, can you at least shut up and let US have a voice for a minute? I mean jeez, let it play out, let people speak, acknowledge that there's been more than one Bill Cosby in the world and that there will be more and that most of them will not be caught, much less held accountable. and then let's have the discussion, a real discussion about things like, ok, if the original intent was love, not lust, what has become of love, how has it all gotten so fucked up? Let's look around (and inward) and figure THAT out. But no, STASTFUB is SO much easier, noble, and historically accurate. We don't need a discussion, we just need more dogma that ignores what we have become in favor of what we THINK we used to be. Tell our wives, sisters, aunts, coworkers, and all these other mouthy bitches to back off, grow up, and let us have our Christmas back, that's a GREAT idea, right? And finally, in conclusion:

She had a life! RIP.

I'm a snob about drooling over RVGs that don't sound even close to my lps, but geez, that's just for me. If you're still discovering the music in any form, carpe diem, and funk all us snobs!

So...all you women with sexual assault trauma need to take a music history class. That will make it all better.

Here it is on YouTube. I think it sounds even better as accompaniment to the film! Now go buy it on VHS! https://www.amazon.com/Legends-Ring-Johnson-Breaking-Barriers/dp/6304097034

yeah, Jo at least pretendingfending off a possible, uh...orgy, that's an even more provocative conceit. At least by today's standards it is. Back then it was probably meant to be cute.

I have a Down Beat interview in the closet that I will try to scan reasonably soon.

Well, let's warp the mirror just a little - would it still be a problem/as big a problem if broadcasters only played instrumental versions of the song? Would "most people" even recognize it?

Also note - on a completely unrelated note - that it was Stanley Dance who gave McCoy his first print interview. This was something he would often point out himself when charged with being totally deaf to anything past Swing-based music.

I bet there's more that was recorded, though whether it still survives or not, I don't know. But it seems unlikely that the tunes not represented with alternates were all straight one-take performances.

I have that movie on a commercial VHS release.

Chewy's not responsible for anybody's actions but him own.

I was just looking around YouTube, clicking random links, and then this showed up in the sidebar. What algorithm led to that, you got me.

That would be a trip. Who else played with Jack Johnson and John Coltrane?