Niko

the 1966 broadcast has been more or less around for a time, it's about 40 minutes of music... Date: February 25, 1966 Location: Half Note, New York City Label: [radio broadcast] Kenny Dorham (ldr), Sylvester 'Sonny Red' Kyner (as), Kenny Dorham (t), Cedar Walton (p), John Ore (b), Hugh Walker (d) a. 01 Jung Fu - 12:21 (Kenny Dorham) b. 02 Spring Is Here - 8:12 (Richard Rodgers, Lorenz Hart) c. 03 Somewhere In The Night - 6:30 (Joseph Myrow, Mack Gordon) d. 04 The Shadow Of Your Smile - 7:21 (Johnny Mandel, Paul Francis Webster) e. 05 Straight Ahead - 8:36 (Kenny Dorham) Sylvester 'Sonny Red' Kyner (as) on a-c, e; Kenny Dorham (t) on a-b, d-e. Broadcast on WABC-FM program "Portraits In Jazz" hosted by Alan Grant. Spoken comments by Alan Grant and Kenny Dorham precede b (1:17) and c (0:49). Recording of broadcast ends slightly before end of performance. http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Leaders/DorhamKenny-ldr.php

the facts that both were sons of Albert Ammons (as written in the wikipedia article) and that his daughter Lila is said to be the niece of GA (in her wiki article) is almost as good as wikipedia claiming the two were brother imho

My impression was that since a few weeks ago the search function works properly again?

thanks for the link! I skipped some passages but have made it to chapter 16 by now - didn't notice anything unusual around chapter 12...

"books about Dutch jazz and or musicians or books in Dutch about general jazz subjects" both actually... thank you all for the further ideas - I will definitely try used bookstores once I am there (only three months left), and also the public library! And special thanks to Big Beat Steve for the first edition of the Jazz Book in Dutch! Some things are familiar from later editions but this competition between "blanke" and "zwarte" musicians was not laid out that clearly later on ...

With Dutch, I have the suspicion that actually speaking it will be the biggest challenge (followed by writing) while reading texts in Dutch without any formal training or much exposure works out surprisingly well... my musical interests are fairly broad - and I especially like reading stories about bands (even beyond what I actually listen to) so any good music book is welcome advice. (In this case, there's a further appeal since both my parents and grandparents spent several years in Indonesia)... Thanks!

Thanks! I had reserved Harry Potter for reading something highly familiar in Dutch but Behrendt will do as well (and right now I can easily get all the old editions before 1989 at the library which still holds many treasures from back when we still had "jazz education" around here - luckily, the folks back then were smart enough to keep all the old versions). (And I knew that Orkester Journalen is not Dutch - just wanted to highlight that you seem to read many of the European languages from what you write here) @Cyril: thanks, order placed!

@big beat steve: remembering your knowledge of ancient issues of orkester journalen etc, I thought of you when I wrote "others are invited as well"... will drop you a line (of course, I know the book, grew up with 1989 edition but only have an edition from around 1970 at this point...) - and thanks for "Eddy Determeyer"

@cyril: thanks - this is exactly what I was asking for... it leads me into a related question: Where do I buy used Dutch books (online)?

I hope that some of the Dutch board members can help me here (others are invited as well !)... I will be moving to the Netherlands (Tilburg) in August and don't know the language yet... I will certainly take classes when the time comes and don't really have to learn it for my job, but ... earlier today I remembered that I basically learned English from reading Jazz books (assisted by more formal classes) and that this method really worked out for me back then... similarly, the only thing I do to keep up my French is the occasional Jazz book which is not available otherwise (San Quentin Jazz Band, or more recently Jean-Pol Schroeder's books on jazz in and around Liège)... Thus I wondered: Can you recommend any books on Jazz which are only available in Dutch? I am more interested in history or biographies than in "the technical side", preferably with a focus on the period between about 1940 and 1990, either in Europe or in the US... The only Dutch jazz books I know are the Baker and Webster biographies by Jeroen de Valk - I know the English translation, otherwise those would be exactly what I am looking for...

Thanks a lot to all of you!!

I would guess that a double LP is possible for the Thompson ... if they just want to use half the music, they have to select heavily (the title shows that they use material from both sessions - could of course also be the case that they reissue the first and add some of the second as bonus tracks...) With the Gordon/Gullin/Shihab Session, it seems likely that this is connected to this documentary (music starting around minute 5, before that you just see how the rhythm section picks up Gullin at the train station etc) in case anyone wonders about Dexter's date, she is apparently a well-known Danish actress who would in 1965 marry the pianist in the band Harold Goldberg, who was one of the managers of the Montmartre for a short time around 1962... more info here http://www.danskefilm.dk/index2.html and here http://dvm.nu/files/musik_forskning/1996/mf1996_08.pdf

well, Hamburg and "Michael Naura Trio" is news, even though it only confirms my above guess... We just have to wait, which tracks they pick, but even this is relatively clear: The two sessions seem to have between 80 and 90 minutes each, but the tracks with Thompson are about 30 minutes in the first session and 40 minutes in the second, so they fit onto a single CD

Thanks! This finally answers the question whether jsngry saw Vandy Harris or Ari Brown in 1981...

just noticed the trumpet playing as well, and also that the timings didn't match... there's an explanation on discogs: The current "reissue" couples Side A of Hadley Caliman with Side A of Iapetus, his second mainstream album, thus leaving out half of the self-titled album https://www.discogs.com/de/Hadley-Caliman-Hadley-Caliman/release/6403264 While I admit that I'd have preferred a reissue of Iapetus to a reissue of Hadley Caliman, I am nevertheless rather pissed - especially since this is apparently just an error...

here's a notice from the 7 June 1969 Billboard "Douglas Repackaging Jazz Albums for Spanish Market" where it says: "Douglas' initial tie with Gema [the Spanish label] covers about 12 albums including "new jazz" product by artists such as Eric Dolphy, Dave Burrell, Elvin Jones, Paul Bley and Ric Colbeck, [...]". Is there anything else by Jones that could have been meant here?

given that Sonorama has access to the NDR archives, the 1959/1960 range and the title Bop & Ballads, I suspect that we will see material from these two sessions: Date: April 17, 1959 Location: Funkhaus des NDR, Studio 10, Hamburg, Germany Label: NDR (Ger.) NDR Jazz Workshop No. 6 Lucky Thompson (ss, ts), Klaus Marmulla (as), Georges Grenu (ts), Hans Koller (ts, bar), Helmut Reinhardt (bar), Wolfgang Schlüter (vib), Michael Naura (p), Hajo Lange (b), Heinz von Moisy (d) Date: April 22, 1960 Location: Funkhaus des NDR, Studio 10, Hamburg, Germany Label: NDR (Ger.) NDR Jazz Workshop No. 13 Lucky Thompson (ss, ts), Klaus Marmulla (as), Wolfgang Schlüter (vib), Jimmy Gourley (g), Michael Naura (p, cel, or), Hajo Lange (b), Heinz von Moisy (d), Helen Merrill (v) Noal Cohen's discography gives a detailed overview of these sessions: http://www.attictoys.com/LuckyThompson/Lucky_Thompson_discography3.php

near the end of a newspaper interview, a scientist friend was recently asked the following: "How come the stuff you're saying is so much more balanced and less flashy than what I've read in previous articles about your work?" The journalist then quickly answered the question for himself...

there is more information on these sides on the Sun Ra page at the Red Saunders foundation (since Ra played piano in this session) http://myweb.clemson.edu/~campber/sunra.html their current estimate of the line-up is "The Dozier Boys: Eugene Teague (g -1, tenor voc); Cornell Wiley (tenor, baritone voc); Benny Cotton (bass voc); Bill Minor (lead tenor voc) -2; with Eugene Wright (b, ldr); Hobart Dotson (tp); John Avant (tb -3); Frank Robinson (as); Melvin Scott (ts); Van Kelly (bars); Herman "Sonny" Blount [Sun Ra] (p, arr); Robert "Hendu" Henderson (d)." they also write "Yusef Lateef has said that he had left the band before it recorded for Aristocrat. Careful listening suggests that on the Aristocrat sides, the horns are limited to three saxes and a trumpet, with the exception of "Pork 'n Beans," where a trombone is added. Our conclusion is that Gail Brockman (tp); Roy Grant (as); and Bill Evans (ts), who later changed his name to Yusef Lateef, were regular members of the band but did not make the session" edit: just noticed that this contradicts the version stated on the Aristocrat page... will write an email... next edit: I already got answer - the information on the Aristocrat page will be updated to match that in the Sun Ra page

as I'll most likely be joining the ranks of dutch board members later this year, I've indeed already started worrying about learning the language - so far, it seems so natural, but I haven't looked into the hard stuff yet, I guess

For the moment, this seems to be the only reasonable fix and I believe it would help many users if it was implemented. That said: while the accumulated information in our database is a big mess, google covers the whole internet which is a gigantic mess. It thus has to be efficient - and it does miss quite a few things. For this reason, a decent search function for the forum would desirable - it can't be THAT hard to search all we have here. When google is better than the local search function, this is like the super market stocking more jazz albums than a "brick and mortar" shop specialized on jazz. Given that "we" actually pay for this software ... hmmm

as I said, I'd just delete the search function, maybe replace it with a link to google (provided the software is flexible enough)

imho, if you wish to proceed with Roth, I would read one of the books about the "Jewish villages in the East" next, like Tarabas, Hiob, Weight and Measure (my favorite) or Leviathan - the other "gone world" Roth knew very well ... the remaining parts of the Trotta saga (without explicit Trottas) are The String of Pearls (his last novel, set in 19th century Vienna but with a similar hero, Franz Taitinger) and The Flight without End (a relatively early novel where Franz is still called "Tunda" instead of "Trotta" and where you can still feel Roth as one of the best-paid journalists of his time) (the later works are not novels written by a journalist but rather novels where stuff just happens - the earlier ones like Hotel Savoy or Flight without End are an interesting contrast)

it hasn't worked half-properly for a long time, but since one of the last updates, it's truly silly... for instance, google turns up seven threads with Ellery Eskelin's name in the title (and many more mentions) the search function (for "eskelin") finds none of these threads, and merely 12 posts mentioning the name, some of them as old as 2005... only one of these is reasonably interesting ... (the other 11 are: 3 posts in the "For Sale" forum, 6 in "Name 3 people" , one (!) in "What are you listening..." and my mention of him in the Mitchell/Red thread yesterday) similarly, it doesn't find any of the over 20 threads with Fred Anderson's name in the title...similar picture for Gerald Wilson... imho, especially thinking of newbies, it might make sense to simply remove the search function, since it gives a highly misleading impression of the wealth of information we "have" here...

it's also included in Ellery Eskelin's list of Left Bank concerts (20 March 1966) http://home.earthlink.net/~eskelin/leftbank.html apparently, the Crystal Ballroom was a substitute location for about eight weeks in 1966