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Thanks for the heads up that it was now available at that price. I ordered it this morning.

I am pretty sure that I have it, but I don't think I have had the chance to listen to it yet. I will have to remedy that soon. Gahnhold plays on an Ayler release with William Parker and Hamid Drake that really impressed me.

Its available at both Amazon and Barnesandnoble.com.

Recently I have been reading this book by Benamin Looker about St. Louis Black Artists' Group (BAG). My initial interest in the book was an opportunity to learn more about the group that spawned musicians such as Julius Hemphill, Oliver Lake and Baikida Carroll. I am about half way through the book now. Its not entirely what I expected, but that is not intended as a critisicm. I expected the emphasis of the book to be on the musicians in BAG and the music they created. I was under the misunderstanding that BAG was primarily about musicians. What I have learned, however, was that BAG was a multidisciplinary group that included all the arts (music, theater, visual arts, literature) and BAG was very much about incorporating all the arts into its productions. Also, instead of being a book featuring detailed analysis of the music or any of the other arts, what the book seems to really be about is a description of the social, political and economic forces that existed in St. Louis and the nation at the time, how these forces necessitated the creation of BAG, and how BAG dealt with these issues. The author (who apparently graduated from college in 2000) obviously did not "live" the events/times discussed, but he seems to have done a decent amount of research. Among the musicians listed as being interviewed are Baikida Carroll, Joseph Bowie, Marty Ehrlich and Greg Osby. I also see that our own Chuck Nessa was interviewed. So far it is an interesting read, but I am curious whether others have read the book and have formed any impressions?

Actually, Klone CDRs are currently manufactured by Taiyo Yuden and are the exact same disc (except that they have klone.com stamped on the inner ring) as TY discs and or the TY manufactured Fujifilm discs, which are widely considered to be top quality along with Mitsui.

I have two of the Roots recordings, Salutes The Saxophone and Stablemates, both of which I enjoyed. There are also a few unreleased live performances from radio and television broadcasts by Davis, Roots and the Paris Reunion Band that are circulating among traders.

What a coincidence. I had never even heard of Martinez until recently I obtained a copy of a live performance from Cologne in 1975 with the following personnel: Palo Congo Group: Tony Coe (ts, cl), Francy Boland (p), Raphael Garrett (b), Tony Inzalaco (d), Sabu Martinez (perc).

I am not an organist, but I have enjoyed what I have heard of Dennerlein.

Thanks for the info Martyjazz. I sent you a pm.

This has been discussed somewhat in the thread about the Hill Mosaic select, but I thought it would be approproiate to post an "official announcement" here so that there can be a thread dedicated to amy comments regarding the discography. Michael Fitzgerald and I have compiled an Andrew Hill discography which has been published on Mike’s Jazz Discography website at Andrew Hill Discography. The hope is that it will be a definitive document of all known recordings featuring Mr. Hill and ultimately track the complete historical arc of Mr. Hill’s artistry. It is intended to be a living document. We believe that we have included all of the commercial releases featuring Mr. Hill. We have also attempted to include known private recordings, and radio and television broadcasts. Despite our efforts to make the discography as complete and accurate as possible there will inevitably be sessions that we were unaware of, and possibly information we missed. I invite anyone with any additions and/or corrections to the discography to contact me directly. Thank you. Ronald Lyles

Hmmm. I am comparing these two tracks right now. Sounds like another instance where Mr. Hill gives the same composition multiple titles. He apparently did this a lot. I have also been told by Ron Horton that he also sometimes made slight changes to a composition and then gave it a new title. I wonder if that is the case with this composition? At a minimum, the difference in the arrangement for solo in 1975 and trio in 1987 is very interesting. Thanks for pointing this out.

Since Mike has let the cat out the bag let me give him a public THANK YOU for letting me work with him on this project. Its something I had been thinking about doing for a while and I believe we have produced something we can be proud of. I also want to thank all the other contributors listed on the discography. Keep in mind that this is only the beginning of an ongoing project. I invite anyone and everyone to contact me directly with any corrections and/or additions. Ronald

Bastard! I am an in house attorney for an insurance company. So what does that make me?

Yeah I remember that. I was the one chided.

Dusty Groove seems to get them in pretty regularly. I have them all and think they are all worth searching for.

Too big. I don't have time to properly listen to and appreciate the music I have, but I still can't seem to stop adding to the collection. If we include all the LPs, CDs and CDRs of unissued live performances in my basement, I am probably somewhere between 4500 and 5000.

I am not sure that I completely understand the point, or the somewhat negative responses to the thread by some but to annswer your question I know of at least one. To paraphrase the words of the immortal Curtis Mayfield, I am one of the people that are darker than blue. And before anyone starts to wonder I do not in any way think my opinions are any more valid than anyone else's. There are far too many people on this board more knowledgeable about the music than me for me to make the ridiculous assumption that simply because of the circumstances of my birth my insights are more compelling than someone else's. With that said, I have often wondered why I do not see more people from the Darker Nation visibly supporting the music other than at the free outdoor events during the summer, which seem to be more about a "hang out" than actually appreciating the music. Not sure it is entirely a worthwhile discussion to have here however. The question is better posed to the people that are missing. Everyone here supports the music and we can only guess why others who may enjoy the music do not support it. Okay, that's too much of a revelation about me. Back to giving my useless opinions about the music.

I believe that I have it - possibly the LP edition. If it is the recording I am thinking of, I had a positive reaction to the music.

I am pretty sure, but I will have to pull the disc off the shelf to confirm.

Yes. I have a copy of a Setp. 19, 1963 performance in Tokyo with Reshid Kmal Ali (tp), Paul Bley (p), Henry Grimes (b), Roy McCurdy (d) and Betty Carter (voc). I also have recording from 1966 at the Half Note with Sonny Rollins (ts), McCoy Tyner (p), Walter Booker (b) and Mickey Roker (d). The sound on the Half Note is rough, but basically listenable.

That's a good one. If I remember correctly, it may also feature a vibes player, which adds a nice change to the sound.

This thread motivated me to take out of my desk and listen to a 1995 performance from the Moers Festival by the David Murray quartet with Ragin, Kelly Roberty and Andrew Cyrille. The performance was a tribute to Albert Ayler. I am listening to it now and it is some very intense music.

I forgot about that one. I only listened to it once a while back, but my recollection is that it was definately worth hearing.

If I remember correctly the first Mosaic I purchased was the Mingus Candid recordings. I believe I bought it during my last year of college in the Spring of 1988. My then new girlfriend, now wife, actually threatened once shortly after I received the box set to take a sharp object to the LPs as punishment for whatever was my latest transgression. Scary.

My first exposure to Ragin was also via various David Murray groups. Very exciting and somewhat expressive player. I agree that Feel The Sunshine and Revelation are both very good. Other recordings under Ragin's leadership that I can also recommend are An Afternoon in Harlem (Justin Time) and Back To Saturn (Black Saint).