Guy Berger

Only the somewhat annoying fact that they won't let you use multi-CD sets as part of your "subscription". Guy

Maybe he's trying to feed Latrell Sprewell's kids. Guy

Okur's been phenomenal. And once Carlos Boozer comes back, look out. I've never been a Jazz fan, but I'm psyched for Jerry Sloan. Guy

I totally forgot a grrrrrrrrrreat album that wasn't mentioned on this thread: pianist Jon Jang's Two Flowers on a Stem, w/David Murray, James Newton (who's brilliant on this), Santi Debriano and Billy Hart. And a musician playing a traditional Chinese instrument, but I can't remember his/her name. Guy

My brother and his girlfriend are visiting me on these days and I will take them down to see some live jazz in NYC. My options are below -- are there any interesting venues or events that I'm missing? We'll probably go see Fathead at Smoke, or maybe the Lovano-Muhammad duets at Sweet Rhythm. I would love to go see Cecil Taylor but maybe that's not the best choice for visitors. Iridium CECIL TAYLOR ORCHESTRA HUMANE (Ubunto)BIG BAND! Marshall Allen, Taylor Ho Bynum, Stephen Haynes, Amir El Saffar, Jeff Hoyer, Steve Swell, Bill Lowe, Bobby Zankel, Sabir Mateen, Elliot Levin, Will Connell, J.D. Parran, Dominic Duval, Jackson Krall Village Vanguard Cedar Walton trio w/Roy Hargrove Blue Note Josh Redman Elastic Band Birdland Tierney Sutton Jazz Gallery ??? Jazz Standard ??? Smoke DAVID FATHEAD NEWMAN (sax) · JOE FARNSWORTH (drums) · MIKE LE DONNE (B3 organ) · PETER BERNSTEIN (guitar) [on Friday] / Neal Smith Qt. feat. Brian Lynch [Thursday] Sweet Rhythm Joe Lovano & Idris Muhammad duets [Thursday], ??? [Friday] It doesn't look like Tonic or The Knitting Factory have anything interesting on those days.

Wow, I can't believe I forgot to comment on my own AOTW! Anyway, I'm not incredibly familiar with this album -- I picked it up in an "OJC panic binge" last fall and first listened to it less than a month ago. But, it is remarkably good, with no real weak spots. Lots of interesting playing, a tremendous amount of variety. And I think that while these kinds of albums are a dime, a dozen today, back in 1967 this was a very unusual concept. My favorite duet -- and this might just be a superficial observation from someone who's listened to the album less than a dozen times -- is Lee on tenor and Elvin on drums. Interesting because Lee was obviously listening to Trane's performances in a similar format, but totally different in terms of the tenor playing. As Jim writes above, the Nance duet is the most surprising. He definitely puts in the kind of performance you wouldn't expect. I'll listen to this some more and add comments as they come. Guy

Don't know about that yet. The best team is obviously in the west, and once you get past the top 5-6 teams in the east there's a sharp drop-off in quality that doesn't exist out west. But, I think the top 3 teams in the east would be quite competitive in a 7 game series against any west team. Guy

All of a sudden with TJ Ford back, plus Magliore and Bogut as genuine eastern conference big men, this is looking like quite a good team. If they're lucky, Cleveland snags the #5 spot and they don't have to face Indiana or Detroit until the conference finals.' Guy

The Warriors didn't play very well today (can they hit a single free throw?) but won nonetheless. And any day the Knicks lose is extra cause for celebration! Guy

Anyone familiar with the British neoprog group IQ? Quite derivative of Genesis (moreso than Marillion, who developed a more original style quickly), they capture the Wind & Wuthering sound quite well. I don't like their 80s albums that much, but I was listening to Ever (from the mid 90s) and it's a damn good album! Guy

I followed it via gamecast. Very pleased with Pietrus's game. Murphy would have had a great game if it wasn't for the foul trouble, and Zarko made some nice contributions. The Baron injury is a bad omen but hopefully short-term. One funny thing about the game is that Biedrins had 1 foul before he'd played a minute. When he hit the minute mark he got his 2nd foul. I'm going to the Warriors-Knicks game at Madison Square Garden this Sunday. Nosebleeds baby! Guy

Request: please don't post in this thread until the current AOTW is finished -- I just want to give people a heads up so they can pick this up in time for November 6. Recorded on September 25, 1967 1. Struttin' with Some Barbecue 2. You Don't Know What Love Is 3. Variations on Alone Together 4. Checkerboard 5. Erb 6. Tickle Toe 7. Duplexity 8. Alphanumeric Personnel: Lee Konitz (as 1, 2, 3iii, 3v, 4, 5, 8; varitone 3i, 8; ts 3ii, 3iv, 6, 7; bs 1) Marshall Brown (euphonium & valve trombone 1, 8) Joe Henderson (ts 2, 8) Elvin Jones (dr 3ii, 3v, 8) Karl Berger (vib 3iii, 3v, 8) Eddie Gomez (b 3iv, 3v, 8) Dick Katz (p 4, 8) Jim Hall (g 5, 8) Richie Kamuca (ts 6, 8) Ray Nance (violin 7)

I was impressed by Webber's line last night -- just the other day I was trashing him as a has-been. Still think Sac was smart to pull the trigger on that trade. Guy

I had my first sampling of Lacy a few weeks ago with Reflections: Plays the Music of Thelonious Monk. This is a greaaaaaaaat album! Elvin isn't quite "there" yet, but Mal Waldron is absolutely on fire. I also have Evidence (picked both up at an OJC binge last year) and will finally check it out in a few days -- if it's half as good I'm in for a treat. Guy

WTF happened to the Kings last night? I've pretty much bought into the hype that this could be a good team (50 wins, bounced in 1st round) but losing to the Hornets by 26 pts isn't a good omen. Not that I care that much. (And the who the hell is J R Smith?) Impressive comeback by the Bucks! Guy

Boo frickin hoo Guy

Agreed. I was looking at ESPN's predictions and they seem to be seriously underrated as far as the eastern conference championship goes. Guy

Fisher was one of Mullin's worst moves. Foyle's contract might have been worse, but I distinctly remember telling my brother at the time that I couldn't understand why the mediocre Fisher was getting so much money. I wouldn't worry too much about one preseason game. We'll see how they do over the relatively easy schedule of November. My brother was joking that as long as Biedrins manages to play more than 10 minutes without fouling out, we'll see a major improvement. Keep in mind, the guy is only 19. I think we'll see major improvements from him this year. Big man with outside shooting. We shall see. Other guys that need to step up big this year: Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Pietrus. I think the Warriors could handle some moderate Murphy layoffs -- it'll push Diogu, Zarko and Biedrins up the learning curve. But Baron and Jason's health (less worried about Jason) is absolutely essential for their playoff chances. I'm kind of hoping that they trade Dunleavy for Nene, but that probably won't happen. re the Lakers: We've already had the joy of seeing them in the lottery. This year I'd rather they made it to the playoffs as a #8 seed (as long as they don't edge out the Warriors of course) and get crushed by the Spurs, losing by an average margin of 25-30 pts. I'd love to see the looks on Kobe and Phil's faces. Guy

As far as favorites in Miles's 70s bands, I probably have to go with Gary, followed by Dave and then Sonny in a somewhat distant 3rd. Guy

Grossman was a member of Miles's live group from March or April of 1970 though he "auditioned" on some earlier studio sessions. According to Tingen, Miles reconvened the Cellar Door band briefly in the spring of 1972. Presumably Gary would have been part of this group. Dave was a member of Miles's from '73 onward. As far as Lon's comments about Grossman -- I remember finally hearing one of his rare tenor solos with Miles and thinking, "Wow, this is a much better guy than the soprano saxophonist!" Guy

My sentiments exactly! They were FUN to watch last season (especially after Baron arrived). I'm looking forward to watching them again, whether they get close to the playoffs or not. ← If Baron stays healthy for almost all of the season, I think they're going to the playoffs. Finally! OTOH Lakers are probably heading back to the lottery! Guy

This is a gig from the spring of 60: Miles, Trane, Wynton K, Mr. PC and Jimmy Cobb. This tour is legendary because of Trane's playing, so those of you who haven't heard any of the recordings should pick it up. Guy

I hope Schwartzenegger applies clemency in this case. The guy isn't innocent by any means and committed four horrific crimes, but it seems that he's done enough good works to merit a life sentence. Guy

Different strokes for different strokes, but I have a fundamental disagreement with the "already somewhere other than where his band is" claim. Maybe once Trane started adding more drummers and horns to his band, Elvin and particularly McCoy started losing touch with the music. But on the quartet recordings from 1965, these guys are 100% engaged in the music that Trane was creating. You can hear it all the way up through Sun Ship and First Meditations -- they're exactly where the music demands. I mean, listen to "One Up One Down" -- this might even be a more milestone performance for Elvin than for Trane! Second, and a point worth emphasizing -- a listen to any of the longer +25 minute versions of "Impressions" and "Mr. PC" from the 1963 European tour (look at discs 5-7 of the Pablo box) show that this music was not exactly unprecedented. Trane was pushing his music pretty far out even back then. Intense, avant-garde duets with Elvin on those tunes were the order of the day. Yeah, the Half Note and Antibes performances are further out, but not MUCH further out. Very much another step on the same path. Guy