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Let's send some good vibes to Barry Harris.
Big Beat Steve replied to Hardbopjazz's topic in Artists
Keeping my fingers crossed this will work out alright again soon. Get well really soon and stay on it. -
Seeing this with some delay ... I have that LP and it sits next to the Onyx/Xanadu reissues of 40s swing/early bop on my shelf so this might give you an idea how I (just me) rate it. As for the rarity of the contents, it all depends on how comprehensive your collection of 40s/early 50s jazz is. Some examples: The Ike Quebec tracks are from one of his Blue Note sessions, the illinois Jacquet tracks were out on Aladdin, the Gene Ammons track was on a Prestige 78 but apparently was not incuded on the later Prestige vinyl reissues (because it had a vocal? "Oh - lowly R&B!" ) so is rare in vinyl form. The Allen Eager track originally was on the Jax label (rare enough) but was also reissued on one of the "Al Haig meets the master saxes" LPs on Spotlite. So .... the contents were rare when this LP was issued in 1973 (unless you had the 78s) - as the liner notes say: "It is hoped that there will be no duplication with existing LP issues in the US" (as of 1973 ...). But now and with the benefit of long-time collecting?
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Very nice. Thank you!
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Must have missed this thread at the time, but even album covers (e.g. EmArcy MG36003) have pics that can be used without interfering cover artwork. Or how about this one?
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Speaking from experience , these low-down-at-the-bottom areas for filing paper items are about the worst storage place because this is where dust inevitably gathers fastest. You'd have to pull them out often for cleaning. Or do you have a siding glass panel in front? As for the shelving itself - excellent. I will have to think about vertical partition walls for my setup too. 15in-wide shelves without partition as it is now (or even apprix. 22in as it is going to be in the new shelving) really is too wide if the shelves are relatively full. BTW, speaking about the extent to which your compartments are full (or empty), have you ever had any problems with 78s warping in such storage where the 78s remain at an angle and not all upright? I have had one very odd case a long time ago - a Nellie Lutcher 78 on Capitol which i had filed on one of those wire-type record racks that were common in the 50s. Over time (several years) it warped very distinctly - to the extent of becoming unplayable, and to a lesser but quite noticeable extent this happened with a Tennessee Ernie Ford 78 (again on Capitol - were they more prone than other labels?) too. I definitely remember they were flat (at least 98% flat) when I bought them. No heat or sun exposure either - and other 78s stored in the same rack were unaffected through the years. So all in all I fill up my shelves fairly well to avoid this happening - but am getting wary if things are too full because literally "pulling" them out and pushing them in again is a huge risk you need to avoid with fragile 78s.
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I know the difference - I was just trying to give examples of the online presence of this record on collectors' sites. I'd have been very surprised if it had been for sale "just like that, in passing, up for grabs" on discogs. Discogs has a lot but I've actually seen quite a few artist entries there where they did not have a particular (comparatively obscure) record listed that I happened to be looking up there too.
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Well, it's here, for example (and on jazzdisco.org): https://www.popsike.com/78BluesGold-Star-618Curtis-AmyRARE/370371535151.html
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Would you be able to show a picture of your shelving on occasion? Just curious - and in search of inspiration, maybe ... This winter I will have to do some serious reshuffling of the wall shelves in and around my music room to free some more space for my LPs (and books too, hopefully). The 78s (I have about 1,000 in all) might have to move next door from one Ikea shelf to another, slightly wider one. Both of which have proven quite satisfactory for their task but other ideas (including for partitions within the shelving) will be welcome. BTW, the Curtis Amy 78 must be a fascinating one. This name combined with the "rural" image of the Gold Star label ... Has it been reissued?
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Yes, keep them coming. It's interesting what's out there (and what us mere mortals - at least over here - for the most part will never be able to see "in the flesh" and will be able to hear "only" by way of reissues, if at all)
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Same Song Title Different Composers
Big Beat Steve replied to Dan Gould's topic in Miscellaneous Music
More in the field of jazz: The original title of Gerry Mulligan's "Apple Core" was "So What" (and was recorded under that title too) - and this was NOT the Miles Davis tune. -
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I became aware of this "Presents" series back in 1977/78 when they hit the market. A jazz radio broadcast I caught discussed this newly-released series of LPs and played excerpts from several, the radio man wondering how it came to be that this was all about "presenting" such confirmed stars from decades past, with the career of Lionel Hampton in some cases only slightly preceding that of some of those featured. Wouldn't a "Presents" series have been devoted better to up-and-coming young 'uns? So he found the idea of the whole series a bit odd. A feeling I somehow shared. The music I heard there (I even taped some on cassette) wasn't bad at all but rather mainstream-ish. OK but not adding much substantially new and somehow lacking the "period" edge of the earlier recordings (at least those I had heard by that time) of the featured artists. Later on, in the late 80s I got a copy of the "Presents Gerry Mulligan" LP along with a stack of other jazz LPs that a friend parted with. I listened to it, found my impressions confirmed and put it in my fleamarket box and eventually it got sold. But who knows ... if I come across copies from that series now at one of those clearout sales I might even have second thoughts ...
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Good question. I've been wondering about this at the very latest since I bought a copy of the Hank D'Amico "Holiday with Hank" Japanese CD reissue (CDSOL-6077) from a Japanese eBay seller a couple of years ago and upon receiving the item found that the small print on the back page read "Not for sale outside of Japan". No doubt this statement is there for a reason. But somehow discussion of this aspect never evolved very far here ... I wonder why ...
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Uh oh ... how time flies ... didn't recall it was on THAT one the P.D. question was discussed to and fro too. I wonder if there have been any more recent interviews, after that 50-year, non-retroactive European copyright law came into effect in 2012. Did any of the publications ever try to interview any of those who run other P.D. labels, I wonder?
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Interesting interview, thanks.
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Actually I am not at all sure this "Pricing Policy" is as it seems to be. I have always considered Lone Hil to be a subsidiary of Fresh Sound so I am a bit puzzled that the Lone Hill reissues are more expensive than the Fresh Sound ones. BTW, their "Cool 'n' Blue" label reissue catalog also looks like it has been around for a long time. I bought 2 of them about 20 years ago. This label does not look like new reissues in THIS field (78rpm era) are being added anymore either.
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Same impression here. I cannot quite figure out where the actual dividing line is between the Fresh Sound and Lone Hill reissue catalogs. I occasionally bought Lone Hill CDs where they filled a gap in the reissue world (e.g. Dick Twardzik or the second and third Dot LPs by Rusty Bryant). But I find that reissue policy of filling up a CD with PART of another LP a bit annoying. If I had wanted the contents of the "Silver Vibes" LP (on Columbia) by Lionel Hampton, for example, I would have had to buy two of their Hampton CDs that essentially are reissues of his two Audio Fidelity LPs (which I both have). Just like with some Fresh Sound reissues. Admittedly I couldn't think of another approach if playing time is not sufficient for 2 LPs on one CD, though, but it makes targeted buying difficult sometimes. And looking at their pricing policy, is it really so that Fresh Sound is the "budget" line and Lone Hill the upmarket line now? (9.95 vs 14.95 EUR)
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Not expecting you anymore by now to grasp what forms actual sexual assault also takes today and what underlying attitude towards women this portrays, but just for one piece of information out there anyway ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany And even if at other occasions such "reports" were made up (which does dealing with this problem a huge disservice and deserves criminal action too) then those incidents that actually did take place are cause for real concern as they add a totally new dimension to the existing problem of actual sexual harassment and those who've heard from women affected by this do not take this lightly. Particularly since in other everyday situations beyond those festivity days these have become a recurrent phenomenon in too many places. Or maybe you would want to tell the relatives of those women raped and murdered by asylum seekers (trials of the two most recently solved cases are currently going on.here) that this is all just right-wing propaganda? Or would you claim that because some such reports have been made up all the incidents that did take place are just not to be believed either? Blame it on the victims? I'd sure like to hear the outrage if this attitude had prevailed in the Weinstein case etc. Blunt, unfounded allegations like YOURS (remember it wasn't me who brought up the term "Neanderthal") are the ones that are reponsible for women not speaking up in cases like this - like the eventually mediatized case of that volunteer girl helping out at a refugee housing facility who was raped by a refugee and did not dare to speak up for weeks for feelings of guilt because she was afraid this would detract from public support for refugee matters and only fuel right-wing propaganda. P.C. at its worst. And yet I would of course NOT claim that all of those coming from Arab countries are like that (nor would any other reasonable persons in this debate), contrary to the "all men are rapists" attitude advanced elsewhere (slyly worded to be able to retreat to an "oh, but I only meant that all men are potential rapists" but not changing a thing about the underlying insinuations). So don't talk nonsense if you don't even have the slightest clue at all of what you are talking about.
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Don't expect to provoke me any further. Your ongoing invectives tell much more about you and your ilk than you can imagine. Over here in Central Europe the vast, vast majority of us - of both sexes - get along by simply sticking to limits not to be transgressed that are based on common sense and on a passably relaxed attitude without needing the oppressive laws that seem to be needed in your place to rein in your Neanderthals. Revisions of laws in this field as they have occurred here have primarily been spurred by the influx of real Neanderthals (comparatively speaking) in recent years who cl.aim to be entitled to holding up views of women that Europe has all in all overcome in about 1918 - but there we are treacherously close to getting political so that's all on that. Off now for a concert 'cross the border in France (where gallantry without getting obnoxious is an art in everyday inter-gender communication that has not been lost yet either - I think my lady companion will appreciate it )
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THANK YOU! This is what i tried to point out all along. What happend on that Weinstein level is inexcusable and behavior like this really needs to be sanctioned. I fully realize this happens elsewere too and I am NOT condoning it. But that far, far lower level of the waitress example or the office level example I gave (among co-workers, not bosses playing that "honey" card vs their female employees, i.e. not in cases of one having real power over somebody else) are what have very, very often been lumped into the recent discussions following the "metoo" action, to the consternation not only of males but also of many,many females in forums I have looked at (not exhaustively) here and there. Reason and good judgment going out the window. Swooping accusations levied at every man in sight. Alienation for the sake of alienation. What for? And this is what I find does the problem of getting hold of the real perpetrators a disservice because it detracts from where things really ought to change. Who are you talking to? I for one can't make much of what they did, sorry. And I certainly don't feel hung up. In fact I have spent a fairly interesting afternoon communicating here because it has given me a lot of insight.
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@Scott D.: OK, again - I am not biting the way you'd want me to, like it or not. Leaving out the fact that "co-worker" opportunities in the stricter sense of the word are out for the reasons explained, that attempt at an analogy is all skewed. It just happens so (being hard-wired as we are - BOTH ways!) that males do compliment females at times, and vice versa. I did and I do - sometimes (Note: sometimes - not even each week - just when the person and occasion warrants it IMO). The same sort of compliments extended to males is something that just is not usually done the same way. But I DID and do it. More than once. The last time? A couple of months ago, I guess ... Of course in order to cause that kind of reaction among us men we just have to come up with way more (like a buddy who you normally just see in jeans and t-shirts only one day came along wearing a fine pinstriped suit). Sharp, fitting him well, fitting him better than he probably figured himself, so worthy of honest appreciation (by men and women, BTW, even some who knew him only fleetingly, and he did not feel "offended" by what any of us said). I guess this won't satisfy you for a response either but never mind ... this just is so because your pseudo analogy just isn't one that holds water in the casual way of people of both sexes being able to get along with each other WITHOUT meaning harm and being able to distinguish between when harm is meant and when it is not. An ability apparently lost with some parts of the populace ... Not the problem of most of us (including of the opposite sex) around here.
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How do you define genius , as it pertains to jazz?
Big Beat Steve replied to Dmitry's topic in Artists
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Greetings to you in that other corner over there as you evidently are just trying to retain YOUR dominant right to say anthing YOU deem approporiate too. Remember -pointing a finger at somebody else means three fingers are pointing back at you. I know I can walk out of my field without so much as even getting the tips of my shoes wet with paint. It just is a pity that you seem to be unable to refrain from insinuations such as "hitting on the opposite sex". This "hitting" thing - again - is on a level I have never come down to. If, OTOH, you feel even one single, isolated appreciation made using words that won't "hit" on anybody is already a case of "hitting", then, well ... proves my point ... amply ...
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