Big Beat Steve

Regardless of whether the Marsalises are the last word on anything to anybody (or should be at all) - seeing your posts that hammer it home again and again and again that they don't and don't and DON'T matter to you (so why stress it? The point has been made often enough, hasn't it?) , aren't you beginning to give in a bit too much to "sour grapes" and "XXX should be where they are"'?

I noticed that Philip R. Evans also is the co-author Sudhalter's Bix book. So did he disown explicitly his contributions to the Sudhalter book? Just wondering ...

@Referentzhunter: Well, of course I did not imagine we were talking about trying to make payment without a credit card. I realize doing this wihtout a CC will cause problems. I have my CC on file there and it is good for all amazon sites I've used. I'd never have imagined anything else (Paypal in the end is a CC payment scheme too), including bank transfers (outside the SEPA area bank fees are likely to be prohibitive - now more than ever before, I am afraid), and don't even get me started on bizarreries such als "personal checks" or "cashier's checks" long outdated anywhere in Europe, particularly for cross-border payments.

If in doubt, contact the seller or check the fine print to see if that particular seller does ship abroad. Many do. Apart from amazon.de (obviously), I've ordered from resellers on amazon.com and amazon.co.uk (not often but occasionally), and this obviously in cases where the respective reseller had NOT listed that particular item at that price on "my" amazon 8i.e.the UK or USA offer was quite a bit beter than what was listed on amazon.de). It did work.

Don't know if I actually received a letter (like in the olden days when the "Nigerian connection" was all over the place) or if it was a mail that arrived not long ago. Anyway ... Direction ashcan. The only interesting thing was that these letters yielded an exotic stamp for distant acquaintances who were into stamp collecting.

According to Bruyninckx, there is a released airshot of the Earl Hines band from the Grand Terrace recorded on Aug. 3, 1938, and pressed on Alamac QSR2418, Jazz Panorama LP19 and Swing Classics ET5.

Thanks for that info. So those two books look like they are complementary. I do own "Before Motown" and upon receiving it read it from start to end and (though I've never been to Detroit, of course) was extremely impressed by its thoroughness and attention to detail as it fills gaps in areas that evidently had been overlooked or bypassed in the documented wider picture of jazz (though later on I found that it does have gaps - there used to be a website - now defunct, it seems - that had lots of private pictures from the mid-century period covering not only African-American artists and had a somewhat larger emphasis on unsung white combos and bigger bands). Will be on the lookout for yours.

This may be a silly question or one with an all too obvious answer to those in the know but how does your book complement "Before Motown"? Or to put it another way, what period and/or what main topics does your book cover primarily?

If Discogs (which I haven't tried in this respect yet) won't let listings be organized alphabetically by last name I wonder if anybody has ever managed to combine the organization features that Discogs offers with a DIY cross-reference list organized by last name to make it easier to retrieve every individual artist (not group) in one's collection? Features like this are a can of worms where I guess you have to take some individual action when it comes to what you yourself want to organize in a retrievable manner. Would you yourself file Muddy Waters, for example, under "M" or under "W"? And I even know printed Rock guides differ on whether to list Fats Domino (for example) under "F" or "D". I also remember a scathing review long ago of a somewhat awkwardly set up "Rock guide" book where they made fun of an entry listed as "The Stones, Rolling". Anything can happen ..

2 1/2 stars from Down Beat. Quote (by Leonard Feather, FWIW hereabouts ); "... this was potentially a four-star album, except for the material, which fits like the first suit you pick off the pipe rack. On the other hand, commercially speaking, i know Vik's Bob Rolontz was wise to use this gimmick, for it should certainly help the Messengers towards a healthy sale."

So I figured. Purely rhetorical thinking ...

Excellent. I should have thought of something/somebody along those lines. Reading the phonetic "transcription" above I was trying to figure out who (among non-Anglosaxon pianists, given the "Henri" instead of "Henry") this announcer might have meant but who'da thunk his pronounciation of the family name was THAT far off the mark.

Great set indeed - particularly to those who don't have the 70s/80s Krazy Kat LPs yet that collated quite a bit of the highlights of these labels (I do have almost all of those LPs yet I dont regret having bought this box set). If you'd put the hillbilly companion set Tennessee Jive up for sale I'd have been tempted to ask about overseas shipping ...

Nobody said you were, Scott D.. But there are lots of other listeners out there who might or might not agree. Some agree with you here, Guy Berger seems to agree more with my impressions. No point counting here. Much too small a sample. No final word possible. Just personal opinions.

I thought so - it just looks to me like the Capitol cover with Rogers and Muligan blowing against each other face to face against a black background is far more common and known (even as reissues) and "evocative".

Though not exactly in that (virtually unrecognizable) packaging, unless you know your Shorty discography well.

Driving to work this morning I happened to be tuned in to a radio station where they aired "Another Brick in The Wall". To me it most obviously was "oh, 1979 revisited" - with connotations of several specific situations and evenings back then. I wonder how many other listeners would have taken it to be of totally "undefinable", "timeless" vintage and would not have reacted like "oh, that's been around before" at the very least.

Funny .. this thread brings back memories. I never was into contemporary rock but back in 1974/75 when I got seriously into rock music (of the 50s and early 60s kind, FWIW) of course most of my high school buddies were into the then current (or recent) rock styles - hard rock, psychedelic, krautrock, whatever .... so I could not help being exposed to that too at the time (to limited personal appeal, some Cream and TYA (e.g.) excepted). The Pink Floyd albums I remember seeing and being discussed at my friends' homes were the ones initially named - Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, Meddle, etc ... All titles that ring bells ... As I remember it, their stance on on the period from Dark Side of the Moon onwards and then, of course, The Wall was that Pink Floyd had "gone commercial" and did not nearly appeal to many of them in the same way the earlier releases had. Very likely a generational matter ...

Ouch ... this is kind of sobering to hear that the market seems to be THAT slim, seeing what you tell about how long it took to offset the advance (particularly since sales probably were best in the first years) ... I wouldn't quite have imagined that ... Well, my copy would have been part of your 2012 statement (provided you received any)

Oh, it may well be one: Available here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/1950-1951-Lars-Gullin-DOMNERUS/dp/B00008YGVY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=arne+domnerus+rolf+ericson+dragon+381&qid=1554401979&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr0 And on amazon.co.uk to boot!

You mean to say records by Wilson Pickett and Solomon Burke would not have been the first ones to feature prominently there In the first place? (Yes, me gotta this too ... ever since it was published)

Why not? Nobody would want (or lay claim to) this actual copy. Why wouldn't I (or anybody) be able to clearly indicate the title of a book that I's recommend even if my own copy that I am reading is one I have taken out from the library or have been lent by a friend or whatever so do not actually OWN a copy of my own?

The more I look at that cover pic the more he looks like Charlie Shavers to me.

Membran - yes, but I wouldn't quite call it "shit". It's just utterly redundant to ANY even halfway serious listeners and/or collectors as the stuff is available in lots of forms of better packaging elsewhere. But it is nice as an introduction to total newbies (who will hopefuly upgrade before all too long) or for anyone who wants to save himself the trouble of burning CD-Rs for the car player (at the price they sold at Zweitausendeins for the price per CD wasn't more than that of a passably decent CD-R blank). I am surprised to see this mentioned here NOW. These boxes have been around for something like 10 years or even more.

Don't know about which period or part of the Trip reissue program you two are talking exactly, but I remember them primarily as a reissue label of Mercury/EmArcy material from the 50s (and still have those I bought at the time). Instantly recognizable by their scaled-down (mostly) B/W versions of the original covers on the front. Some 78 rpm-era reissues on Trip were more nondescript but otherwise while they really were no eyecatcher there were sooo many ugly and REALLY boring and out-of-tune album covers in the 70s and 80s that from a certian point you just shrugged it off. Artwork of German MCA reissues of 50 US Decca and Coral material was extremely nondescript, the French RCA "Jazzline" or "Masters" series were nothing to write home about either, etc. etc. Not to speak of many, many other European reissue series. As if they all had had hoards of second or third-rate album cover "artists" to feed. Soundwise I'd say they are just what many of them were at the time, not outstanding, not unbearable. And at any rate they made a lot of music available that at that time you'd only have been able to get if you'd be lucky enough to find orignals or be able to shell out for those Japanese reissues that existed at all (exceedingly thin on the ground here, a fact that seems to be forgotten by many US collectors around at that time).