clifford_thornton

Yes! And balloons, among other things. Before coming out on Ring, it was privately issued.

Dead stock, I believe. I don't think there were as many copies out there recently as we'd thought/hoped.

Aha! Had a few things that were "frisbees" from him and stopped following the lists.

You probably outbid me

Well, the provenance is what's important. When Juma Sultan's collection of other artists' LPs was being sold off to generate cash for his website/online archive, almost everything was trashed. But it was kind of cool to see things like original Jihad and Coltrane Records vinyl from a brother who was there and actually making work with these people.

Oh my god - never seen that one! Killer!

Just arrived in the mail - looking forward to digging in!

Nice. Been trying to score a clean US Savoy pressing of this for years.

That's a good one and Dauner rules. I recommend all that early '70s Dauner stuff.

Damn, too bad. RIP.

Surprised nobody's interested in the Bird or the Frank Lowe...

Yeah, that is a good one and Cole is pretty interesting.

Hm. I have the original LP and would like to hear those extra tracks, too.

Yeah, I never did get my set from the Sony shop - order canceled and "unavailable" - so hopefully a not-insanely-high-priced one will come around at some point.

Music + Sound was apparently a small LA label and Polynesia is the only record they released. Goes for about $200. Cool cover.

cleaned up the list now so everything on hold has been sold. Still some gems left! Never saw your PM - feel free to try again if there's anything you still want.

I feel like I shouldn't read them before I write anything...

Word. I know you're all into playing and stuff, but feel free to, you know, do some criticism if you want... we need more thinkers like you putting pen to paper.

Bump - more titles added. The Clean Feeds are, I think, all unplayed but they are not sealed.

Question for the tech savvy. I am planning to resume interviewing musicians soon and have a couple of phone interviews in the works. I stopped doing phoners for a couple of years because keeping a land line and a cellphone became unfeasible and expensive. As I can't assume everyone in the world uses Skype, are there other services that are more universal for recording two-way conversations? Is there an app available for recording interviews over an iPhone clearly? I did have something on my PC that worked for recording incoming Skype calls but it did not record the non-computer audio (i.e., my interview questions!). Also, using my work phone is not an option (too much of a pain in the ass, speaker phone is janky, etc.). Funny, the easy part was the digital voice recorder... the hard part is the fact that land lines are becoming obsolete and, for those of us trying to streamline, an unnecessary expense. Any serious ideas are welcome and appreciated.

Sain is not listed on the Mbari - no producer/engineer credit on mine.

I'll add that I have no problem with Zorn - not a ton of interest in his work but things like Lulu and the Masada stuff get played around the chateau. I held onto Cobra, too, though I don't listen to it much. Though not important in the Zorn discography, his appearances on Frank Lowe and Peter Brotzmann orchestra LPs was kind of curious.

Other than McPhee (and even then only to a degree, and he was around long before the downtown scene), none of these players really matter to me in any way other than knowing that they're there and that they play well. I'm glad they're there and I'm glad that they're doing that, but..Don Byron? Really? There's just one too may layer of "detachment" to the whole thing for me...even when it's hot, it's not the type of hot that will burn your skin off, it's the type of hot that makes you look at yo0ur buddies and say "wow, that was hot!" and then go to the bar laughing about, yeah, that was hot! Of course that's just me, and what is important to me need not be important to you, and vice-versa, I'm just saying...if the downtown scene is important in any "universal" way, then...I'm not in that universe and don't really feel any need to be. To the degree that I still care about such things, I've got other muses to follow. And definitely did when I really did care about such things. Why is McPhee mentioned among these people?!? Joe has his own thing going that dips way, way back. He was a contemporary of the Ayler brothers and began recording in 1967, and he's still going even stronger today. He wasn't even really playing in the US in the 1980s. The no wavers were Downtown geographically but had a much, much different thing going on than the improvisers you mention. Sure, some cross pollination with Kip Hanrahan and of course Rudolph Grey's free music trios with Arthur Doyle, Beaver Harris, Rashied Ali, Jim Sauter, Charles Gayle et al. (Blue Humans = proverbial round peg in a square hole no matter the genre), but it's hard for me to think of say, Mars in the same league with Naked City. I don't think deconstruction and concept were as much a part of the no wave thing as some people might like to say. Mars is closer to Albert Ayler than it is Zorn - primal, old-world shit. By the same token, Branca, Chatham, and Russell were composers first and foremost, and made some very interesting and very beautiful music. The first two still do. Arthur Russell's first LP was on Phillip Glass's imprint, Chatham Square, IIRC.