JSngry Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 does his 1st lp "so in love..." is that album show hints of his later style, etc or is it very very different, improvisation wise and also regarding the heads--- whats other lps was he on in the 50s? did he have another solo lp- in fact what is his pre blue note discog.? also what has a.h. said about his exp. w/ charles the bird parker: he was never recorded w/ him, but what has he said about that important early phase of his career 1) There are hints of the later style. Malachi Favors is on bass btw. 2) There's a really good Hill discography here: http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Hill/hill-disc.htm Mike Fitgerald doesn't come around here any more, but the name "Ronald Lyles belongs to O-member "relyles" who posts here fairly regularly. The discography is a labor of love, and well worth checking out. 3) I don't know that he's said too much more about Bird than the ususal "what an experience it was!" type stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 2) There's a really good Hill discography here: http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Hill/hill-disc.htm Mike Fitgerald doesn't come around here any more, but the name "Ronald Lyles belongs to O-member "relyles" who posts here fairly regularly. The discography is a labor of love, and well worth checking out. Thank you Jim. The discography is also in need of some small updates, which I hope the kids allow me some time to work on in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I'm sad to hear this of course, but the news makes me happy that late in life he was able to enjoy the recognition that his life's work deserved. P.S. When Charles Brown died, Mosaic received a rush of orders for his set and sold out of them. Perhaps those of you who are fans of Andrew Hill should consider immediately ordering his Mosaic Select. Will do! Actually, don't forget there are TWO Selects! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I'm sad to hear this of course, but the news makes me happy that late in life he was able to enjoy the recognition that his life's work deserved. P.S. When Charles Brown died, Mosaic received a rush of orders for his set and sold out of them. Perhaps those of you who are fans of Andrew Hill should consider immediately ordering his Mosaic Select. Will do! Actually, don't forget there are TWO Selects! Yes, and the Night Lights program is a worthy intro to the first one. (Unfortunately, it convinced me that that music is a bit out of my range as far as comprehension and listening enjoyment). The second set, the solo piano set; that one I'm saving up my pennies for. Hill solo piano? I am SO there!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I keep listening to Smokestack over the years. I know this isn't popular opinion, at least around here, but this album does something for me that the others don't. He swings like hell, but in a very idiosyncratic way and the music on the whole is really settled in a way that his other albums from this era are not. They seem to have a jittery nervousness, where this album has a more subdued anxiety that would be more a part of a person's personality than a psycological response. What the hell. That doesn't make any sense... either way, his piano playing is so calm in its anxiousness, swinging and swaying, bobbing and bouncing in and out, hanging on for an extra dot here, attacking the beat there, so fluid and so right on. I feel like this is an underrated date, or an overshadowed date perhaps. Compositions (off of memory, I hope they're right): Smokestack The Day After Wailing Wall Ode to Von Not So Verne 30 Pier Avenue and alternates Some new meaning in a couple of those titles for me this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Cary, Yes, Smokestack is my favorite of the Hill Blue Notes (oddly Point of Departure is the one I don't quite "get" and hardly ever play. It's so. . .well. . . I can't describe Smokestack correctly either but it's "grounded" in a way that I find really appealing. And the piano work is just so different and beguiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Larsen Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I'm not picking on anyone, but I've always had a hard time understanding the ambivilance that people have expressed towards Hill, or at least the majority of his work. He is one of the top-tier greats in my book, and always has been. All of his records (especially the 60s dates) work for me - some work and some WORK, but there are no duds in my book. I guess part of it might be that he works in a lot of unusual time signatures, which is something that has never bothered me at all in any type of music. I actually learned to play guitar without the benefit of formal instruction or a metronome as a teen and was thrown for a loop when I first played with a drummer and he looked at me like I was insane... but I digress. Hill was a great musician and tremendous composer who lived a fairly long life and went out with his creative abilities intact. I can see why some people see this as sad, but in a way it is also beautiful (the cancer part does suck, though). In any event, I'll always be grateful for his music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 (edited) The BBC reports Andrew Hill's death. 5 years ago he would never have got on their radar so it is in a way a heartening indication that his profile in the UK has - at long last - gone significantly up. BBC Link Edited April 23, 2007 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 whoa- whats up w/ that 2nd session, w/ von freeman PAT PATRICK and a.h. on organ- + doo wop vocals-- has that ever been reissued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBlutarski Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 (edited) I just discovered his music half a year ago, but am very impressed and moved by it. Another great artist I nevr get to see live. R.I.P. the band in teh big sky's getting better and better... JB Edited April 23, 2007 by JohnBlutarski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I'm sad to hear this of course, but the news makes me happy that late in life he was able to enjoy the recognition that his life's work deserved. P.S. When Charles Brown died, Mosaic received a rush of orders for his set and sold out of them. Perhaps those of you who are fans of Andrew Hill should consider immediately ordering his Mosaic Select. Will do! Actually, don't forget there are TWO Selects! I know, but I had the one Artists House solo piano LP included in the solo select, and it didn't thrill me that much. But I absolutely love his ensemble writing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I keep listening to Smokestack over the years. I know this isn't popular opinion, at least around here, but this album does something for me that the others don't. He swings like hell, but in a very idiosyncratic way and the music on the whole is really settled in a way that his other albums from this era are not. They seem to have a jittery nervousness, where this album has a more subdued anxiety that would be more a part of a person's personality than a psycological response. What the hell. That doesn't make any sense... either way, his piano playing is so calm in its anxiousness, swinging and swaying, bobbing and bouncing in and out, hanging on for an extra dot here, attacking the beat there, so fluid and so right on. That's probably the best thing I've ever read about this album, and I think you nailed it as far as its overall mood. Heck, you may have just described Hill's entire musical journey, for that matter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybleaden Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Just heard Been out for a few days. Devastated. Talent this good does not grow in abundance My favourite track right now is Illusion Sad loss for his family. At least the last few years he has got back some of the credit he deserved but Devastated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skeith Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 devastating news. Thanks, Andrew for your great music. Makes me glad I saw that concert at Trinity Church here in Manhattan just a few short weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 whoa- whats up w/ that 2nd session, w/ von freeman PAT PATRICK and a.h. on organ- + doo wop vocals-- has that ever been reissued None of the Ping material has been reissued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I know it doesn't get a lot of 'this is my fav hill record'...but I really dig Grass Roots. Maybe it's a little more accessable, but hill was a pretty funky cat when he threw his energy in that direction. I guess since he wrote The Rumproller, I should be surprised. Another favorite session he was on was Hutcherson's "Dialogue." Andrew swings his ass off on that. Tom Brokaw has his "Greatest Generation" theory with the WWII era. I'd have to say that the generation of jazz musicians that spanned the 60's, is just very hard to say goodbye too. What a special time it was and what special individuals it produced such as Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 (oddly Point of Departure is the one I don't quite "get" and hardly ever play. I don't find that odd at all. It's my least favorite Hill (the presence of Dolphy plays a huge part of that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I know it doesn't get a lot of 'this is my fav hill record'...but I really dig Grass Roots. Maybe it's a little more accessable, but hill was a pretty funky cat when he threw his energy in that direction. You got THAT right!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I also love when Hill would lay down the funk. "Soul Special" is a favorite tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I also love when Hill would lay down the funk. "Soul Special" is a favorite tune. Andrew could definitely lay down the funk when he wanted to. Not sure which one I prefer - the one on the LP or the version with Jimmy Ponder. Both great ! Will dig out the LP a bit later tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1969 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I really dig Grass Roots. Maybe it's a little more accessable, but hill was a pretty funky cat when he threw his energy in that direction. I love the track Mira (similar vibe to BJP's Latona) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Ethan Iverson has a nice piece on the Bad Plus blog. He uses 2 photos from my friend Terry Martin. You can see it HERE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Ethan Iverson has a nice piece on the Bad Plus blog. He uses 2 photos from my friend Terry Martin. You can see it HERE. Nice piece - thank you. And to have heard the band in the photos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Ethan Iverson has a nice piece on the Bad Plus blog. He uses 2 photos from my friend Terry Martin. You can see it HERE. Nice piece - thank you. And to have heard the band in the photos... I was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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