Harold Land "Jazz @ Cellar '58"

[jeffsjazz]

Harold Land Quartet- "Jazz @ The Cellar 1958"

A new offering from the Spaniards from Lonehill Jazz.

Anybody know or hear this ?

Thanks, Dr. Jeff

Edited May 5, 2007 by jeffsjazz

[mikeweil]

Must be an upcoming title, not yet listed on the Fresh Sound website.

[Niko]

from cduniverse:

Issued on the current CD for the first time ever, the live recordings contained here present Harold Land in a splendid but unusual setting. The rhythm section of pianist Elmo Hope, bassist Scott LaFaro and drummer Lennie McBrowne wasn’t part of his usual group. In fact, the three musicians formed the rhythm section for Sonny Rollins’ quartet!

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/...Cellar+1958.htm

[Stefan Wood]

Wasn't there a live date floating around from that same year, but from Seattle, with the same rhythm section?

[Dan Gould]

Wasn't there a live date floating around from that same year, but from Seattle, with the same rhythm section?

This one has been floating around trading circles for a while:

Harold Land

The Cellar

Vancouver

1958

Harold Land - tenor saxophone

Elmo Hope - piano

Scott LaFaro - bass

Lennie McBrowne - drums

First Set:

1. Introduction 0:59

2. Cherokee 19:09

3. Just Friends 21:19 (drop-out at 2:35-2:39)

Second Set:

4. Introduction 0:15

5. Some Bird Tune 29:36

6. Come Rain or Come Shine 11:59

The Seattle date that is also available is from 1965:

The Penthouse

Seattle

1965

Harold Land - tenor saxophone

Monk Montgomery - piano

John Huston - bass

Philly Joe Jones - drums

1. Autumn Leaves 11:16

2. Who Can I Turn To? 4:47

3. Introduction to Bow Ties (Philly Joe Jones) 0:09

4. Bow Ties (Philly Joe Jones) 6:57

5. Introduction to Delirium (Harold Land) 0:13

6. Delirium (Harold Land) incomplete 3:48

Looks like they are tuned in to the bit-torrent sites.

[Guest donald petersen]

yeah i have those two dates-suprisingly good sound on the early date, if i remember!

[brownie]

Got the session through a friendly poster

The sound is really good.

About the Lonehill issue, I wonder what's going to be left out since the recorded material totals more than 83 minutes!

[Cliff Englewood]

Did anyone get the Lonehill version of this release?? Is it worth getting for 15 Euros??

[jlhoots]

Did anyone get the Lonehill version of this release?? Is it worth getting for 15 Euros??

Yes - IMHO.

[BruceH]

The Penthouse

Seattle

1965

Harold Land - tenor saxophone

Monk Montgomery - piano

John Huston - bass

Philly Joe Jones - drums

1. Autumn Leaves 11:16

2. Who Can I Turn To? 4:47

3. Introduction to Bow Ties (Philly Joe Jones) 0:09

4. Bow Ties (Philly Joe Jones) 6:57

5. Introduction to Delirium (Harold Land) 0:13

6. Delirium (Harold Land) incomplete 3:48

The bassist also made some good movies.

[jazzbo]

[Cliff Englewood]

Thanks for the reply jlhoots, what is the sound quality like? are we talking decent radio broadcast/mono kinda thing?

Tracks

1 Cherokee, Noble 18:58

2 Just Friends, Klenner, Lewis 19:39

3 The Scene Is Clean, Dameron 1:17

4 Big Foot, Parker 27:44

5 Come Rain or Come Shine, Arlen, Mercer 11:57

[jazzbo]

I haven't heard this cd, but I do have the material as circulated among collectors and the sound is decent radio broadcast sound.

[Daniel A]

The cover picture is stolen from the "Jazz Impressions..." album.

[jlhoots]

Thanks for the reply jlhoots, what is the sound quality like? are we talking decent radio broadcast/mono kinda thing?

Tracks

1 Cherokee, Noble 18:58

2 Just Friends, Klenner, Lewis 19:39

3 The Scene Is Clean, Dameron 1:17

4 Big Foot, Parker 27:44

5 Come Rain or Come Shine, Arlen, Mercer 11:57

More than adequate sound for me.

I know we're not supposed to buy these, esp. in the U.S., but I couldn't resist.

[JSngry]

Why buy obviously ill-gotten gains when there's a forum like this full of friendly people willing to provide the exact same material with no money changing hands?

[Indestructible!]

Why buy obviously ill-gotten gains when there's a forum like this full of friendly people willing to provide the exact same material with no money changing hands?

A-fuckin'-men!

I don't know why, but this Lonehill release pisses me off more than any of the others. Maybe it's because I know they downloaded it from Dime, where some kind soul shared it with the world free of charge.

I got this from Dime the day it was uploaded there, and I'd be glad to "share" with anyone who wants a copy... just shoot me a PM.

Cheers,

Shane

[Cliff Englewood]

I didn't know that this material was so easily available, as I don't use those file sharing type things, not out of any moral indignation or anything, just don't use them.

Indestructible!, I will send you a PM.

[jlhoots]

So - free is good.

Are you guys doing "burns" of this type of material?

Exactly what are the "ground rules" here???

I know nothing about the sites where "uncirculated" material seems to freely make the rounds (or how to use them).

Apparently those are morally acceptable.

Enlighten me.

Thanks (I think).

[Dan Gould]

So - free is good.

Are you guys doing "burns" of this type of material?

Exactly what are the "ground rules" here???

I know nothing about the sites where "uncirculated" material seems to freely make the rounds (or how to use them).

Apparently those are morally acceptable.

Enlighten me.

Thanks (I think).

In a nutshell, when there is no commercial release of the material, free is good, provided that the artist is not opposed to the distribution of such recordings between fans, via burns or bit-torrent download sites. Dime is probably the most popular, and it bans torrents that contain commercially available recordings or those by artists who are on record as not approving such things. I myself made Henry Grimes' management aware of the site because I knew that Henry did not allow private recordings of his performances. The site ignored my offer of that information and allowed his shows to be offered, but after his management contacted them, his shows are no longer allowed.

Now, as to this particular release - it is widely believed and understood that these Spanish/Andorran labels ignore copyright law and do nothing to compensate artists or rights holders. Call it grey market/bootleg whatever, why should anyone pay someone for a recording when that person has no right to profit from the recording in question? Why should they take a recording that was privately held, distributed freely, and never seen commercial release, and give it a commercial release so that they can profit from it? The bottom line for me is that they can do that, but I would be more than happy to help someone get such music without paying for it.

No one in the trading community profits, except in the sense of enjoying unreleased recordings by favorite artists.

[clifford_thornton]

Why buy obviously ill-gotten gains when there's a forum like this full of friendly people willing to provide the exact same material with no money changing hands?

A-fuckin'-men!

I don't know why, but this Lonehill release pisses me off more than any of the others. Maybe it's because I know they downloaded it from Dime, where some kind soul shared it with the world free of charge.

I got this from Dime the day it was uploaded there, and I'd be glad to "share" with anyone who wants a copy... just shoot me a PM.

Cheers,

Shane

PM sent. This looks freakin' awesome.

[JSngry]

OTOH - the kind of waaaay open trading found on Dime et. al. was bound to lead to this kind of totally unethical grey-market release (and a buttload more like it). Maybe it was inevitable, but there was a reason that some of us were kinda like "SSSSSHHHHH!!!!!" about everything coming out for such open, public trading. The kind of scum that run Lonehill are counting on X% of people not knowing that, unlike how it used to be back in the day of "useful" grey-market labels like Moon, these type tapes are no longer in any way "esoterica". Once something's gone up on Dime, people grab it, and the challenge is just to find somebody who's gotten it and is willing to share or trade. Not as easy as just placing an order online, but a helluva lot less suckerific, that's for sure.

[clifford_thornton]

Yeah, I trade CD-Rs of live material, too. I don't do Dime or other sites, but I encounter people with lists of "trade" stuff on the web. I've gotten a lot of good things that way, and I think it's a fine procedure as long as no one is profiting monetarily from such practices.