jazzbo Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Good points Bruce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 do warne marsh and hans koller count? (or is that konitz-influenced tenor playing?), and hank mobley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 when Dave Schildkraut did a concert for me in New Haven in 1978 he played a lot of tenor - at one point he began to do this uncanny imitation of Prez, a la 1950s - a moaning, sliding, sound - Curley Russell was in the audience and he yelled "Yeah DAVE!" at that moment, and Bill Triglia, who was playing piano, looked up with this big grin on his face - in my life I have NEVER heard anyone channel Prez the way Dave did at that moment - nice stuff - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmilovan Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Also, we forgot Dave Pell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce talbot Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeah Dave sounds more like Prez now than when he was with Les Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 when Dave Schildkraut did a concert for me in New Haven in 1978 he played a lot of tenor - at one point he began to do this uncanny imitation of Prez, a la 1950s - a moaning, sliding, sound - Curley Russell was in the audience and he yelled "Yeah DAVE!" at that moment, and Bill Triglia, who was playing piano, looked up with this big grin on his face - in my life I have NEVER heard anyone channel Prez the way Dave did at that moment - nice stuff - Otherwise, Dave sounded a lot like Bird on tenor. Am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 when Dave Schildkraut did a concert for me in New Haven in 1978 he played a lot of tenor - at one point he began to do this uncanny imitation of Prez, a la 1950s - a moaning, sliding, sound - Curley Russell was in the audience and he yelled "Yeah DAVE!" at that moment, and Bill Triglia, who was playing piano, looked up with this big grin on his face - in my life I have NEVER heard anyone channel Prez the way Dave did at that moment - nice stuff - Otherwise, Dave sounded a lot like Bird on tenor. Am I right? will take the cue and put on schildkraut on tenor now (from the schildkraut cd, which allen might still be selling?), definitely recall him sounding very fine on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I don't recall seeing Frank Socolow mentioned here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmilovan Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 yeah Dave sounds more like Prez now than when he was with Les Brown I can hear strong Pres influence even then. Of course IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Evidently I must re-calibrate my Prez ears, because the mention of Cliff Jordan is rather surprising. I admit, the mention of Cliff Jordan was a little silly, and due mainly to my listening to three of his albums in a row and having him on my mind like a tune you can't get out. (So sue me.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Since the choices have drifted a bit, let me mention Chas Burchell channeling Lester through Warne Marsh. A dollar to any non-Brit familiar with his playing. Note I said familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) Since the choices have drifted a bit, let me mention Chas Burchell channeling Lester through Warne Marsh. Talk of tenors " channeling Lester through Warne Marsh " , puts me in mind of Teo Macero , who coincidentally was born on the same day ( October 30 , 1925 ) as Mr. Burchell . Edited August 1, 2008 by Chas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 thanks for the plug Niko - yes I still have the Schildkraut for sale - as for "Otherwise, Dave sounded a lot like Bird on tenor. Am I right?" Not really - more Trane-ish in a manner once-removed - all Davey, with a bit of Sonny Rollins thrown in, too - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 How about Bill Holman and Jimmy Giuffre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Early Hans Koller, definitively - but later on he went places... his playing on the marvellous Oscar Pettiford Black Lion album (with Attila Zoller and Jimmy Pratt) is great - after that the next thing I know are his MPS albums, the first of those ("Exclusive") has some more tracks with that Pettiford group, but after that, Koller opened up wide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Spinning Chet Baker/Art Pepper, Playboys reminds me that the late Phil Urso should get a mention here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 How about Bill Holman and Jimmy Giuffre? Giuffre, yes, up to a point in time (1959, probably, when he tried to incorporate Rollins almost wholesale, with strange though sometimes interesting results); Holman almost never IMO, though his sound was softer early on than it became. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 re-Giuffre - strangely enough I went to hear Giuffre at Jimmy Weston's in NYC, maybe some time around 1974-75; he played tenor with the house rhythm section, which was very "trad" sounding" and basically just did a Prez the whole time - I think Herb Hall was playing clarinet, but other than that I cannot remember who was in the band - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Ziggy Vines. Q Yo man, I just heard this cat on "Vone Mae" from that Herb Geller Mercury side and gahdDAMN does he swing, Hard! Ziggy Vines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 People are mentioning Bird here as an alternative influence to Lester. But let's not forget that Lester was also the main influence on Bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmilovan Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 How about Hank Mobley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 In England, Tommy Whittle and early Don Rendell. Back in the USA there is Harry Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 How about Hank Mobley? I would say so, but then I hear a lot of Prez in Sonny Rollins too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat5 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Anyone here ever heard Don Raffell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Has anybody mentioned Jerry Coker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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