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I'll throw it out there - this was Miles's best working group, and the best playing of Wayne Shorter's career.

Guy

Wow! Better than Miles, Coltrane, Kelly, Chambers and Cobb? Not sure I can go along with that.

My favorite Shorter is with Art Blakey, but that's probably a function of the type of music The Messengers played, as I'm much more partial to that style.

Up over and out.

Posted

Still waiting for an official release on DVD of some of this stuff...

And whatever happened to the 2-CD set from Juan-Les-Pins in 1969? This stuff would sell if marketed properly.

Bertrand.

Posted

I'll throw it out there - this was Miles's best working group, and the best playing of Wayne Shorter's career.

Guy

Don't know if I can get with that type metric, but...I know what you're saying, and what I will say is that where that band started and where it ended up is one of the most rapid, thorough, and irrevocable evolutions in the history of known music. It was a band that pretty much left nothing unfinished, and that goes for Wayne as well. When everybody involved "moved on", it was basically because they had to, either that or else just quit.

That's a very rare thing to find, never mind just in music, but in life.

Posted

I'll throw it out there - this was Miles's best working group, and the best playing of Wayne Shorter's career.

I see your point. Shorter would have been a great candidate for leading the free or semi-free camp, with his sense of form (which is lacking, for my ears, in most so-called free playing) - the tension comes from the ever ongoing conflict with musical boundaries, so you better not give them up completely.

As far as Corea is concerned, he was tinkling too much, for my taste - very occupied with his own stuff, and not as rhythmically communicative as e.g. Herbie.

But that music wasn't meant to be perfect ...

Posted

I'll throw it out there - this was Miles's best working group, and the best playing of Wayne Shorter's career.

Guy

I'm with you on the second part of your statement - this is my favorite period for Wayne Shorter. And while individually this quintet was as talented as any Miles had, I don't think it was the best band Miles had. They didn't have the unity of the 1964-68 quintet - they were going in so many directions that it sometimes affected the totality of the music. But it was a very exciting band, and one I love to listen to. For a short period, you could hear stuff from Miles' 50's repertoire, stuff from the mid-60's quintet, and his new electric tunes all in one set - "Round Midnight" to "Footprints" to "Bitches Brew."

Posted

Sorry to say that the only Wayne on soprano that I particularly like is his playing with Miles circa '68-'70.

(Which I think are exclusively live documents, IIRC).

I'm sure I'm somewhat in the minority on this, but I'm just not all that enamored with soprano in general (Wayne, or otherwise).

Posted

there are v. few bands/artists where I'd want to hear every gig for a year even once, much less repeatedly, but this is it...a hundred years from now music students will still be writing about what happened in this band that year.

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