Bad news from Mosaic

[Son-of-a-Weizen]

Gee, I hate all this news - I immediately sent them a mail asking them to hold back some of those for me, but got no reply so far (probably they were flooded with orders)... I guess that's rather a bad sign, but I'd hate missing the Pacific Trio and the Shank/Coop!

CD Connection appeared to have both in stock last night when I picked up the Gordon. I bought the Freddie Slack for my Dad last Christmas. Next time I'm up in New Hampshire, might be time to pull a spot check and make sure he's taking proper care of it ....or it could be time to stage a little late nite intervention and rescue the poor thing!

[J.A.W.]

Gee, I hate all this news - I immediately sent them a mail asking them to hold back some of those for me, but got no reply so far (probably they were flooded with orders)... I guess that's rather a bad sign, but I'd hate missing the Pacific Trio and the Shank/Coop!

I tried a mail re: holding back the Donaldson. I did get a short response from them last night saying they are 'sold out'. I'll bet they are fuming over this.

No mail here

Gee, I really really really am pissed about this!

Really in a bad mood ever since yesterday 6 p.m.!

Remember there's a 6-hour time difference between Mosaic and Switzerland, and their office hours are 9-5 Eastern Daylight Time or 15:00-23:00 Central European Summer Time.

[king ubu]

Gee, I hate all this news - I immediately sent them a mail asking them to hold back some of those for me, but got no reply so far (probably they were flooded with orders)... I guess that's rather a bad sign, but I'd hate missing the Pacific Trio and the Shank/Coop!

I tried a mail re: holding back the Donaldson. I did get a short response from them last night saying they are 'sold out'. I'll bet they are fuming over this.

No mail here

Gee, I really really really am pissed about this!

Really in a bad mood ever since yesterday 6 p.m.!

Remember there's a 6-hour time difference between Mosaic and Switzerland, and their office hours are 9-5 Eastern Daylight Time or 15:00-23:00 Central European Summer Time.

Yeah, I know, but I wrote them ten minutes after they sent out their mail and Bob did get a reply...

Anyway, I ordered the Pacific and Shank/Cooper sets via Amazon Marketplace (as long as I don't have them I don't trust in getting them though...)

And just to make that clear: I'm not at all pissed *at* Mosaic, but *by* this whole situation! I'm sure it hit them much worse than me! Still I've been angry since last evening... there ought to be a law against such actions!

[brownie]

There must have been celebrations in some Catalunyan record labels headquarters and pressing plants yesterday (with lots of bottles Freyssinet sparkling wines uncorked) after news of the Mosaic misadventure got through.

I am sure it will take little time before we see some of the Mosaic sets/Selects make reappearances on those labels!

[kh1958]

I'm not sure about the Pullen, from what I've heard it's not at the top of my list.

You must be listening to the wrong people.

Yeah well I checked the Pullen mosaic select on amazon last night.....they had 2 used ones for 134.00 and they both sold.......now they have 1 new one this morning for $134.00. Somebody wanted that real bad.

Keep an eye out for used copies of the four original Blue Note CDs--the Select doesn't have any additional tracks.

[Shawn]

Well, it's definitely sad news for Mosaic. I'm taking it in stride, I kind of hit my "collecting wall" several years ago and I've managed to re-program myself to not be upset by news like this.

[Man with the Golden Arm]

I'm not sure about the Pullen, from what I've heard it's not at the top of my list.

You must be listening to the wrong people.

RX: two minutes from 4:44

[John Tapscott]

I just received a shipping notice from Mosaic for the Gordon Select. I must have nabbed one of the last ones in existence (or at least in Mosaic's warehouse). Jeff was holding a set for me, and I have emailed him to take it off hold. Thanks for your kindness, Jeff. I'm sure there will be an eager buyer for the set. It's great to be part of the Organissimo family. We may squabble at times, but we know how to stand together when it counts!

Edited September 10, 2009 by John Tapscott

[Claude]

That's so 20th century ...

With current technical means, it would easily be possible to offer lossless downloads (even in higher resolution that CDs), together with high quality downloads of artwork that could be more voluminous and include high quality scans of pictures, because there are no booklet limitations any more.

Those "destroyed" Selects will continue to be distributed worldwide, but as illegal downloads.

[John Tapscott]

I have not yet left the 20th century...

[J.A.W.]

That's so 20th century ...

With current technical means, it would easily be possible to offer lossless downloads (even in higher resolution that CDs), together with high quality downloads of artwork that could be more voluminous and include high quality scans of pictures, because there are no booklet limitations any more.

Those "destroyed" Selects will continue to be distributed worldwide, but as illegal downloads.

Why not ask Mosaic why they aren't going that route? Criticizing them here is easy, but there may be reasons why they don't offer lossless downloads etc. - or CD-Rs, for that matter.

[Ron S]

I just received a shipping notice from Mosaic for the Gordon Select. I must have nabbed one of the last ones in existence (or at least in Mosaic's warehouse). Jeff was holding a set for me, and I have emailed him to take it off hold. Thanks for your kindness, Jeff. I'm sure there will be an eager buyer for the set. It's great to be part of the Organissimo family. We may squabble at times, but we know how to stand together when it counts!

I received a shipping notice for the Gordon Select, also, even though I was told by someone at Mosaic AFTER I placed my order that it had been listed on the web site in error, and that I would be receiving notice that it was in fact unavailable.

In the interim, I ordered another copy from Amazon Marketplace, and if I receive both, I'll have a copy available for someone here. I'll post in this thread if that comes to pass (no PMs until then, please ).

Edited September 10, 2009 by Ron S

[djcavanagh]

I tried to order the Gordon with cd universe but it is now saying that it is backordered so that would seem to rule that avenue out.

[Ron S]

MOSAIC SELECT AVAILABILITY ALERT

Several of the now-OOP Selects appear to be available at a reasonable price ($43.71 + $5.60 shipping) on this site:

http://www.keenzo.com/

Search for "Mosaic Select," and also for some individual artists (e.g., Dexter Gordon) who don't appear in the "Mosaic Select" search results, for some reason.

As always, carpe diem.

EDIT: The Gordon Select

Edited September 10, 2009 by Ron S

[djcavanagh]

£27 shipping to the UK though!!!

[Ron S]

Well THAT certainly puts a damper on things! :blush2:

[John Tapscott]

I just received a shipping notice from Mosaic for the Gordon Select. I must have nabbed one of the last ones in existence (or at least in Mosaic's warehouse). Jeff was holding a set for me, and I have emailed him to take it off hold. Thanks for your kindness, Jeff. I'm sure there will be an eager buyer for the set. It's great to be part of the Organissimo family. We may squabble at times, but we know how to stand together when it counts!

I received a shipping notice for the Gordon Select, also, even though I was told by someone at Mosaic AFTER I placed my order that it had been listed on the web site in error, and that I would be receiving notice that it was in fact unavailable.

In the interim, I ordered another copy from Amazon Marketplace, and if I receive both, I'll have a copy available for someone here. I'll post in this thread if that comes to pass (no PMs until then, please ).

Obviously, they found a few. Plus there seems to be a bit of confusion in the Mosaic ranks these days. I wonder who's in charge over there? I'm not being hard on them, just making an observation. They're feeling the pinch like everyone else. In fact, it's amazing to me that they're still issuing new sets.

[Dave James]

That's so 20th century ...

With current technical means, it would easily be possible to offer lossless downloads (even in higher resolution that CDs), together with high quality downloads of artwork that could be more voluminous and include high quality scans of pictures, because there are no booklet limitations any more.

Those "destroyed" Selects will continue to be distributed worldwide, but as illegal downloads.

If you want to see what's currently possible along these lines, go to Pristine Classical. They offer lossless FLAC downloads in either 16 bit (CD quality), 16 bit ambient stereo or 24 bit (studio quality) formats along with dowloadable artwork, track listings and commentaries. I've purchased a half a dozen of their recordings in 16 bit FLAC and they are very nice.

Up over and out.

[Alexander]

I'm wondering if I should grab that Pacific Jazz piano trios set.

Stop wondering and GET IT. Great set.

[mikelz777]

MOSAIC SELECT AVAILABILITY ALERT

Several of the now-OOP Selects appear to be available at a reasonable price ($43.71 + $5.60 shipping) on this site:

http://www.keenzo.com/

Search for "Mosaic Select," and also for some individual artists (e.g., Dexter Gordon) who don't appear in the "Mosaic Select" search results, for some reason.

As always, carpe diem.

EDIT: The Gordon Select

Thanks for the tip, I ordered the Bob Brookmeyer set. It still shows "low stock" on the web site so I'm assuming one will be on its way. At $49.24 shipped, it's still a slightly better deal than I would have gotten from Mosaic if they were still able to sell it. Now I just have to cancel my "backordered" Brookmeyer from DeepDiscount.com which I'm guessing probably wouldn't ever materialize.

[mikelz777]

I'm wondering if I should grab that Pacific Jazz piano trios set.

Stop wondering and GET IT. Great set.

I'm tempted but I'm not a real big trios guy (with some exceptions) and CD money is getting tight for me so I decided to forgo it. The Pacific Jazz piano trios set kind of fell into the "nice to have" vs. the "I really want it" category.

[Son-of-a-Weizen]

That's so 20th century ...

With current technical means, it would easily be possible to offer lossless downloads (even in higher resolution that CDs), together with high quality downloads of artwork that could be more voluminous and include high quality scans of pictures, because there are no booklet limitations any more.

Those "destroyed" Selects will continue to be distributed worldwide, but as illegal downloads.

Why not ask Mosaic why they aren't going that route? Criticizing them here is easy, but there may be reasons why they don't offer lossless downloads etc. - or CD-Rs, for that matter.

A shame that they don't follow the Joe Harley (Music Matters) approach over at Hoffman and drop by this place from time to time to field some questions. I should think that that would be something they would want to do rather than be peppered with a stream of e-mails. I'm sure some will disagree.

[The Red Menace]

CD Connection appeared to have both in stock last night when I picked up the Gordon. I bought the Freddie Slack for my Dad last Christmas. Next time I'm up in New Hampshire, might be time to pull a spot check and make sure he's taking proper care of it ....or it could be time to stage a little late nite intervention and rescue the poor thing!

"Rescue"??? Comrade, please--the term is LIBERATE. Did you not retain any of your lessons at that posh northern Virginia re-education camp to which I had you sent???

[J.A.W.]

That's so 20th century ...

With current technical means, it would easily be possible to offer lossless downloads (even in higher resolution that CDs), together with high quality downloads of artwork that could be more voluminous and include high quality scans of pictures, because there are no booklet limitations any more.

Those "destroyed" Selects will continue to be distributed worldwide, but as illegal downloads.

If you want to see what's currently possible along these lines, go to Pristine Classical. They offer lossless FLAC downloads in either 16 bit (CD quality), 16 bit ambient stereo or 24 bit (studio quality) formats along with dowloadable artwork, track listings and commentaries. I've purchased a half a dozen of their recordings in 16 bit FLAC and they are very nice.

Up over and out.

That's Andrew Rose's website, the guy whose pre-war blues remasters, sourced from MP3, are controversial, to say the least. Last year his work was discussed on Blindman's Blues Forum. I listened to several of his blues samples and hated the sound. Give me Yazoo and John Tefteller's Blues Images CDs anytime!

Edited September 10, 2009 by J.A.W.

[Big Al]

Mosaic will not sell copies.

Dogma doesn't answer the question.

A copy of the CD is, when done right, a bit-for-bit copy. It's exact. It cannot be distinguished from a first generation CD. So I'll ask again: what's holding them back here?

Which part of "Mosaic will not sell copies" don't you understand?

The part that makes no sense. It's like saying "Mosaic will not sell CDs made on Mondays or Thursdays". It's absurd. The first generation CDs are just as much copies as the second generation CDs. So my question is WHY does Mosaic "not sell copies"? (I swear, my last post on this question. Don't want this thread degenerating into some silly flamewar. But I'm honestly curious.)

Just speculating here, but with Mosaic, it's so much more than the music: it's an entire package. Mosaic doesn't make the booklets or keep extras in stock, and they don't print the artwork on the disc. Yes, Mosaic could logically make their own CDs and sell those, but that's exactly what sets them apart from the Lonehills and the other "budget-minded" companies: Mosaic is selling a package, and the discs are but a small part of that package.

I don't know, perhaps Mosaic could open a separate branch for downloads only. Call it Mosaic Online or something. Lossless FLACs of past sets available for a limited time, with options to purchase/download pdfs of the booklets. No different than what Verve does. THAT, it seems, would be a legitimate revenue-generator as well as maintaining the high standards that Mosaic has set for itself. Just thinking out loud here. Hell, may as well send this idea to Mosaic; if they respond, I'll post it here.